UR and "church"

[jbertonbounds]

I have been attending a Church/Independant Baptist, down the road a bit from me and singing. I was asked to do Bible Study this Wednesday night. Haven't decided what I will talk about yet. I have two subjects in mind, "God's love" or the word "forever". If anyone has an Idea about this I would appreciate it. There are many subjects to talk about that one could bring in things that apply to the salvation of all.

I have two ideas: 
(1) speak from the "all" perspective; this will plant seeds. 
(2) If you don't want them to ask you to speak again just lay UR all out right there before them, and I promise, they'll never ask again! (just kidding on this one.)

Planting seeds is what I do in my ET church. 
One at a time, one-on-one, I talk with people when God opens the doors. 
I just say whatever the Spirit gives me at the time. 
Different people need to hear different things, but only God knows what they need to hear.

I have ask myself why I attend this Church? I have ask God why I attend this Church and does he want me to leave but no answer as yet from Him. I have talked to the pastor a little about my beliefs and got no where but every now and then he will say something that relates to UR that lifts my spirit. Maybe I am there to learn something from them like to be more tolorant, have more patience, love for those who don't see things as I do, I don't know?

This describes me pretty well, too.
Maybe God wants someone to learn from you!

The way I see things about attending Church is, if you are invited to a Church maybe God wants you to say something at some point in time that will make a difference in someone's life? I don't think choosing one that agrees mostly with us will benifit anyone. If we are suppose to teach or provide answers to others about our beliefs, why try it on someone who will agree with us? Why not go to the one's who desperately need to hear about what Jesus has done for us?

Excellent point!

[CHB]

Thanks jb,

I guess we will understand it better by and by.

CHB

[mplsfitter539]

jbertonbounds tell us more about your subtle approach when sharing UR with those of the ET category. You are blessed that God has given you the words to say to people. God keeps telling me to keep my mouth shut. I find the best times to share are when someone flat out asks questions about it. I have stopped trying to segway into conversations about UR with people who are for the most part not interested. My own mother gets furious if I try to insert anything about UR into a conversation.

[jbertonbounds]

Hey fitter,

I don't have a general formula for sharing; I just share as the Spirit leads.
I will say this:  I first had to realize and accept the fact that if I share it, it may cost me dearly.
I prayed for grace and God granted me the grace to accept that I could lose my church home.
I could lose friends.
I could lose my reputation.
I could lose my standing in the church.
I could wind up disgraced and labeled "heretic" in the eyes of my church community.
Having somewhat of an introverted personality, I have few enough friends and social contact as it is.
I accepted the fact that I am taking a huge risk that could alter my life, but the rewards of taking the risk seem worth it to me.

My situation may be different from yours.
If God is telling you to be quiet, then there is a reason.
God tells me to speak on occasion, but I don't go into a Sunday School class or stand before the entire church body and dump UR on them.
I believe my calling is to share one-on-one as opportunities come, and the Spirit "whispers in my ear" when it's time, and gives me the words.
That part is inexplicable, but you will know when that happens.
I usually share UR when me and one other friend are standing and talking after a service, and something in the conversation reminds me of UR.

[CHB]

Hi jb,

I decided to do the Bible Study tonight on "God's love for us". I have been looking for a verse that says "God loves us much more than our earthly Fathers" but cannot find it. I have found some verses that are similar to that but cannot find this particular one. I was certain I had read this and I thought someone had mentioned this verse on Tentmaker but am not sure?

I am going to use (1Cor. 3:13-15)  Also the verses  about refiners fire, and salted with fire, to show how God out of love, is going to use fire to polish us and make us perfect. I am hoping that someone will see how the fire is a good thing, not something that torments.

Would you All please say a prayer for me?

CHB

[jbertonbounds]

CHB,

That sounds good.

Luke 11:11-13 comes to mind: "¹¹What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; ¹² or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? ¹³ If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

I am not finding any other references that specifically say "God loves us much more than our earthly Fathers."

I will be praying for your teaching tonight and that God prepare the hearts of those listening to receive truth.

Be blessed!

[mplsfitter539]

jbertonbounds :I believe my calling is to share one-on-one as opportunities come, and the Spirit "whispers in my ear" when it's time, and gives me the words.Would you be willing to share with us how you knew this was your calling?

[jbertonbounds]

jbertonbounds :I believe my calling is to share one-on-one as opportunities come, and the Spirit "whispers in my ear" when it's time, and gives me the words.Would you be willing to share with us how you knew this was your calling?

We are all called to share the truth of the gospel.  We UR believers have "discovered" the truth of the Gospel of Victory, as opposed to the gospel of fear.  Why would anyone not want to share this truly good news with the world, especially those who already believe in Jesus as the Savior? 

UR was revealed to me right after I began praying in earnest that God teach me truth.  To answer your question, God has given me such a desire to share it, that I am willing to take chances that it will cost me personally - and I have peace about that.  It's a feeling that I know in my inner being that God has revealed this to me for the purpose of telling others.  I know this sounds vague, but that's the best I can explain it.  It's an inner knowledge and an inner peace. 

Since we communicated last week, there has been a new development with me, and this is what I posted in the prayer room thread Saturday: 
My ET church is uneasy.
I have posted several UR links on FaceBook, with messages to encourage folks to check out UR.
A number of my FaceBook friends are members of my ET church.
I have also spoken with several individuals in our ET church about UR one-on-one.
This has caused quite a stir, as I am told.
The head deacon has paid me a visit and strongly (but lovingly) suggested that I keep it quiet.
He implied that action would be taken in the future if I continue.
I cannot, will not keep quiet.
I know it's part of truly following Jesus, but still, I hurt.

I do have peace about this, but still the grief is something the deal with.  I do grieve for my church.  I keep asking myself the question:
     "Since we are all believers, why can't we have differences
       in beliefs, and still worship and serve together?"

[eaglesway]

Sharing UR is important to me because the idea, once entering the spirit and mind of a believer, will highlight the scriptures like a yellow pen, and eventually the person(if they are truly seeking God) will have their foundation shaken and the truth will rise to the top.

I have had a few folks receive it right away but I never expect it, and I do not let myself become disappointed, because did not receive UR in full immediately after it was presented to me- and I considered myself to be a serious disciple and a student of the word.

I had already been through getting excluded from fellowship over growing in other elements of the truth so that aspect was not a stumbling block to me.

The veils that keep our friends and enemies from receiving the truth are "religious icons" that have been exalted and enforced by men for generations. Deeply rooted in the corporate psyche and established under the fear of judgment and the weight of "scripture"(wrongly applied of course). These veils are re-enforced by religious spirits, doctrines of demons and systematic theologies taught in schools united by their love of authority and love of security.

We pray for them as we share and ask the Lord to allow us to return love for rejection, His words in the hour of trial and a cool head under fire- so that our character reflects the Christ we are bearing witness to.

I rejoice that you have an opportunity to share and I pray the Holy Spirit will help you, and I know He will.

[jbertonbounds]

Sharing UR is important to me because the idea, once entering the spirit and mind of a believer, will highlight the scriptures like a yellow pen, and eventually the person(if they are truly seeking God) will have their foundation shaken and the truth will rise to the top.

I have had a few folks receive it right away but I never expect it, and I do not let myself become disappointed, because did not receive UR in full immediately after it was presented to me- and I considered myself to be a serious disciple and a student of the word.

I had already been through getting excluded from fellowship over growing in other elements of the truth so that aspect was not a stumbling block to me.

The veils that keep our friends and enemies from receiving the truth are "religious icons" that have been exalted and enforced by men for generations. Deeply rooted in the corporate psyche and established under the fear of judgment and the weight of "scripture"(wrongly applied of course). These veils are re-enforced by religious spirits, doctrines of demons and systematic theologies taught in schools united by their love of authority and love of security.

We pray for them as we share and ask the Lord to allow us to return love for rejection, His words in the hour of trial and a cool head under fire- so that our character reflects the Christ we are bearing witness to.

I rejoice that you have an opportunity to share and I pray the Holy Spirit will help you, and I know He will.

These are encouraging words!

[mplsfitter539]

jbertonbounds,
I usually share UR when me and one other friend are standing and talking after a service, and something in the conversation reminds me of UR.
So do people at your ET church seem interested in converting or entertaining the idea of UR?

[jbertonbounds]

It's hard to say.  Southern men don't express their feelings much, so it is often hard to judge how they are taking something.  I will say that some have seemed interested or maybe even open-minded while we were talking, but some have gone to the pastor to "tell on me."  Someone even suggested to the pastor that I was not worthy of being a deacon any more.  Ironically, there is another deacon who believes like I do, but they just don't know about him.  I know of 3 UR believers in our church so far.

[Ken]

Greetings,

UR is a subject that only God can open people's mind to. What we need to be doing is living a balanced Christian life, as actions speak louder than words.

As for fellowship, it is obvious that God did not call people to UR all in one geographic area. But we can still fellowship and learn, as we are here on this forum, online.

Be aware that understanding UR is only one step in the "life learning process". There is much more to learn, too.

This online UR ekklesia is open to all:

http://ernestlmartin.com

Ken