willieH: Hi "phen"
You propose to know prophecy, and are ignorant of even the simplest of SPIRITUAL matters... Failing to even KNOW the GOSPEL
and what it IS, let alone take its GOOD NEWS
to the WORLD...
Instead you opt for the NATURAL observations of Scripture which any ATHIEST concludes... proclaiming yourself LEARNED
, ...and have become so steeped and absorbed in your folly that you cannot see
what is right before your eyes...
Why did you LEAVE OUT your CARNAL vision of the HOLY SYMBOLISM in the Book of the REVEALING of the CHRIST
? You post VAST amounts of Scripture and expect that you notation of verses, somehow impresses others?
Why did you not comment on these verses, oh "learned one"? Well... Maybe I'll give you an old musician's take so at least the readers shall have some vision of what these verses potentially mean, even though YOU abstained from expressing that meaning... Cat gotchertongue?
First, CHRONOLOGY is not appicable to this book for CHRONOLOGY is the method of FINITE observation... and this book is DEDICATED to the REVEALING of the ETERNAL WORD of GOD, JESUS CHRIST
with The REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST
, has nothing to do with predicting the END
The book plainly identifies itself in its introductory verse... saying that it is SIGNIFIED
(communication via SIGNS), and it discloses that the subject
of the book is BOTH, simulataneously THE BEGINNING ...and... THE END... even though the subject
of the book has NO BEGINNING or END...
This is where most readers of this writing, go in the ditch... for they will take its words and equate it to the NATURAL... and define it by TIME and both Beginnings and Endings... NEITHER are appicable to CHRIST
... He, however IS
the Beginning and Ending of ALL THINGS which HAVE these boundaries...
ALL things BEGIN in Him -- ALL things END in Him...
I will be first to admit that this book is deep and that I have not complete observation of its contents... but let's take a look at the verses you proposed but abstained from giving insight (maybe because you have none - eh?)
Since I have done some recent study on this portion, I will comment on it, and await your vision of Revelation 16 (that is if you are able to do other than just TYPE verses):Revelation
20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Ahh... the GWT... how big is it "phen"? Where is it? Do you know? Where does a King's THRONE sit? here's a few hints:1 Cor 6:19
-- It sits in HIS TEMPLE...Acts 7:48
-- God does not dwell in TEMPLES made by hands. Heaven is His Throne... and so "where" is Heaven, Phen?1 Cor 3:16
-- Hmmm it is "where" He dwells is it not? How can He sit on a "throne" and dwell elsewhere?
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Doya know what the "books" are "phen" or how they are "opened"?
We are the books Phen... Our LIVES lived before the watching EYE of YHVH
God -- Psalms 139:8
-- in whom we LIVE and MOVE and have our BEING -- Acts 17:28
What were "written in the books"? Our lives are FOREKNOWN... they do not have to transpire in TIME in order to be available to YHVH!
ALL your days were "written" before you took your first breath... and you cannot do or say ANYTHING that is not already WRITTEN of you in the "book" of your life...
ALL you do is foreordained... including this interaction between us... If you could recognize even an iota of what I am telling you, it will CHANGE your life... but that CHANGE is already written to, if indeed it were to take place...
GOD JUDGES the things which are written in your BOOK... be they good or evil... and they are ALL made subject to FIRE
(as they are lived) -- 1 Cor 3:11-15
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
DEATH and HELL coughed up those within them eh? Is that what you see "Phen"? That some get a "coffee break" from HELL for a few seconds to get JUDGED? Then get thrown back into the FIRE? Tell me you know more than this, bro...
Just so happens, that DEATH and HADES which is the GRAVE (translated "hell" in many english translations)... release ALL that are within their "gates"...
These 2 are the partnership of the state of DEATH... Death is in the HOUSE of the GRAVE, and ALL those in the house of the GRAVE are DEAD...
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Here is where it gets really interesting... Sentences can be restructured without changing meaning, but restructuring can and often does give greater insight... I am a novelist and songwriter as well as a musician, and as a "word" man, have become very aware of this method...
example: An ISLAND is a body of LAND surrounded by water...
restructured: A body of LAND surrounded by water is an ISLAND.
Keep in mind there is NO PUNCTUATION, verse or chapter designations in the original languages...
If one reads Rev 20:14
and reverses the order of the facts... it reveals what is being said... This is the 2nd death: death and hell (the grave) were cast into the Lake of FIRE. This does not change the meaning of the verse, but it does reveal what is occuring within it... for when it is RE-REVERSED its meaning can be seen.
That the casting of DEATH and the GRAVE into the Lake of FIRE is the 2nd Death...
The GRAVE and DEATH are pivotal portions of THIS LIFE in this TIME realm... TIME works with EVIL which produces SIN which sends us to DEATH...
The next verse it the icing on the cake:
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
It is APPOINTED for men to DIE, then the JUDGMENT... Well what DEATH is DIED before the JUDGMENT? For there are TWO deaths... what is the FIRST DEATH "Phen"?CHRIST
noted LIVING, breathing men as DEAD: Matt 8:22 -- Luke 9:60
-- Let the DEAD bury their DEAD... The Scripture notes that IN ADAM all DIE -- there is no avoiding this, it is GOD's decree, so we are destined to DIE before we are BORN... BLOTTED OUT of the BOOK of LIFE... and CAST into the LAKE of FIRE to MEET that APPOINTMENT
So each (which is ALL) unconverted soul is born DEAD in this life...
We are all CAST into this life... We do not "choose" this, it is GIVEN to be so by GOD!
We make NO CALLS and have NO CHOICE as to (1)
What era we are born (2)
what family we are born to (3)
what City, State, Country or neighborhood (4)
whether we are male or female (5)
what spiritual influences we will be subjected to (6)
what teachers, schools and friends, we will be influenced by (7)
what talents or lack thereof we will have (8)
what our race will be (9)
what we shall look like (pretty, ugly, or pretty ugly
how tall or short we shall be (11)
what our mental capabilities will be (12)
color of eyes, hair --
GOD makes these decisions. We are dealt the cards of life, and play them according to HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE of them...
ALL of these things contribute to our "choices" in life... we are completely affected by each and every thing on this list... and can and DO, affect our spiritual destiny.
This section of Revelation is speaking of ALL MEN being subject to FIRE
-- Mark 9:49
-- and SALTED (preserved by it) -- 1 Cor 3:15
-- We LIVE and MOVE and have our BEING within GOD -- Acts 17:28
-- subject to the FIRE
that HE IS... Consuming that which is WRITTEN in the books -- and preserving the CHRIST
that is thereby revealed in each of us... in some much, in other little, but in ALL is found the SAVING presence of the Savior...
No "armaggedon" -- No "war" in the LITERAL terms, fought with guns & missiles...
That is the MOVIES... that is SCIENCE FICTION... the REAL war is that which YOU and I, face each day...
A SPIRITUAL and SYMBOLIC war which is recalled by Paul -- Rom 7:23
-- and the place of FIRE
in which the GOLD of CHRIST
was TRIED -- Rev 3:18FIRE
comes in many forms other than physical fire... there is fire in passion, pain, mental agony, loss, anger... yet those observing it in the WORD
, confine it to PHYSICAL TORMENTING FIRE... failing to recognize that which is SPIRITUAL within their carnality and confinement to the flesh... and they "see" accordingly