willieH: Hi Stephan...
"Willie has a great heart"
>I will tell you that WH does not fool me at all .... his behavior and decorum reveal much .... and this also speaks of his following
It is your lack that dictates your view of my "behavior"... for it challenges the DISTORTIONS you are presenting here... and you therefore deduce my "behavior" in those challenges as unacceptable... It is DUE to my "following" that I shall remain faithful in challenging you...
My recommendation to UR proponents .... follow the "Son" and His truth will set you free
Try reading Scripture before making your recommendations... instead of repeating fallacy which you have been taught and NOT researched or verified....John 8:32
-- John 8:36
--- MADE FREE, not "set free"...
More "parroting" of mistaken and fallible ORTHODOX teaching... FREEDOM in GOD, is not being SET free it is being CREATED FREE by the TRANS...FORMING... of our BEING.
The TRUTH ...MAKES
... one FREE, not "sets" one FREE... Creation of FREEDOM is a result of the imprint of the WORD
in the Heart...
When one is IN CHRIST
, he is a new ...CREATURE
... created NEW... not "set new"... a "CREATURE" is something which is MADE... the MAKING
takes place in the HAND of the POTTER
-- Jer 17:9 -- Rom 9:20
-- first MARRED, then ...MADE
... again -- NEW
...IN... the Hand of the MAKER
I am a very straight forward and candid personality and I do not mince around with spiritual folly and magic carpet riding theologies
Lighten us Sultan Stephen...
You deduce, using YOUR opinion, not the WORD
... You are and WILL be QUESTIONED as long as you are at Tentmaker...
As far as being "straight forward", ...your teaching is bass ackwards... and as far as a personality... so far, there really isn't much there other than appears in a computer program.
The scriptures are very clear to me on this issue and only a fool would discount the negative side of the unbeliever's fate
Backatcha bro... That you are unable to SEE (what with that "beam" in your eye) the GOSPEL
(which means NEWS
which is exclusively GOOD
-- Euaggelizo #G2097 -- Euaggelion #G2098)...
Pull out your lexicon (that is IF you have one) and look up these words which mean GOSPEL
, Stephen... I even made it easy forya, giving their (strong's ex con.) locations... and then report all the NEGATIVITY you find in them... I will be looking forward to your "report"...
You are further impaired by (and IN your own words), the confessed NEGATIVE VISION you have of the GOOD NEWS
message called the "GOSPEL"
Where is the COMMAND found to teach what you teach? Well, you won't respond, so I shall note it --- THERE IS NONE
There is only GOOD NEWS COMMANDED to be brought -- Mark 16:15
The Command of CHRIST
-- Matt 28:19-20
to His Apostles teaches of NO command to teach of HELL or TORMENT or ANNHILATION... CHRIST
noted to FORGIVE
enemies, not condemn them to a never ending barbeque or one time ROAST...
On the contrary... this FEAR teaching is CONTRADICTORY to and devoid of that which LOVE
is composed -- 1 John 4:18 LOVE
FEAR... it does not PREACH it... as do you.
John's writings are devoid of it... Paul's writings are devoid of it, there is no mention or TEACHING of this in the book of ACTS... neither is there a teaching of TORMENT or ANNHILATION, made by any of the Apostles...
.... and I do not believe in an eternal tormenting of those who refuse the Lord by the way as you implicate .... the scriptures do not teach this at all
There are THREE alternative scenarios believed... (1) ALL SAVED (2) HELL (3) Annhilation
Since we KNOW you don't believe in #1
... and you just confessed you do not believe in #2
... This only leaves you with #3 -- ANNHILATION
as your choice... which probably makes you an SDA [7th Day Adventist] -- (btw, I spent 5 of my 33 Christian years within this denomination)...
There are several things which Scripturally challenge a belief in such a scenario, and this belief makes void so many verses of Scripture it would take days to list them, so in the interest of brevity and more than sufficient (in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses is the TRUTH established) to make my point, ...a few
-- Rev 21:4
-- This verse states CLEARLY that DEATH shall be NO MORE... which cannot be so if ANNHILATION is true, for DEATH is a STATE... and those who are ANNHILATED are found WITHIN this state... rendering this verse UNTRUE. The terms HADES and SHEOL specifically within their definitions mean WORLD of the DEAD... If any remain or are re-inserted into this domain, then DEATH has not been eliminated for there are souls within it.(2)
-- Ex 20:13
-- This verse notes that "KILLING" (taking LIFE) is NOT an ACCEPTABLE act... and if GOD were to permanently TAKE the LIVES of men as depicted in the observation of ANNHILATION, then He is seen HYPOCRITICAL to His WORD
, as according to YOU, He shall MURDER
those who do not "believe"... which WORD
specifically notes that KILLING is UNACCEPTABLE... (3)
-- John 1:29
-- This verse says that the Lamb of God TAKETH AWAY the Sin of the WORLD
(no mention of "believers" is made in it)... This verse is shown to be inaccurate if ANNHILATION is truth. If SIN has been taken AWAY by the Lamb... for what REASON are the ANNHILATED permanently killed? There is no REASON... for SIN is that which brings forth DEATH -- James 1:15
-- if NO SIN is present, then DEATH cannot be present.(4)
-- Luke 6:27-36
-- God herein instructs that we LOVE
our enemies... and thereby are we seen MERCIFUL as He is MERCIFUL... The word LOVE (for enemies) in this passage is the very same word GOD noted in John 3:16
-- Agapao -- #G25
which PROMPTED Him to SAVE the WORLD! ...When we LOVE, ...we become LIKE Him in such...
If ANNHILATION is true, no such MERCY or
LOVE, is seen coming from GOD, the OPPOSITE is true, ...making Him again... a HYPOCRITE... DOING contrary to the INSTRUCTION given in His WORD
-- 1 Cor 15:22
-- If ALL die in ADAM, and ALL are vivified (become alive) in CHRIST
... wherein is ANNHILATION found? Notice that ALL men in this passage have to "do" with the 1st man Adam, as well as the 2nd man CHRIST
... If we ALL
in the 1st man, ...by the demand of the context, we ALL
in the 2nd man...
However, the unbeliever's fate will be one of extinction with no continued existence ..... no recourse
I guess the only question left, is... When are you gonna start recommending ELLEN G. WHITE?
The Lord intends to separate .... and He will, make no mistake about this
Oh there IS a mistake here... and it is blatantly being made by YOU, which brings OTHER
than "GOOD NEWS"... which IS the GOSPEL of PEACE
-- Rom 10:15 -- Eph 6:15
-- Rather, your agenda (which, as with "Hell/ET" teachers) conveniently disincludes YOU from the negativity contained in your message... and brings BAD NEWS
to the WORLD
which GOD SO LOVED
... DOES LOVE
, and ALWAYS WILL LOVE
... for He CHANGES NOT -- Mal 3:6 -- Heb 13:8
How contrary is this FALSE message you bring... SEPARATION is NOT the will of GOD... the stated WILL of GOD is that NONE PERISH -- 2 Pet 3:9
-- bringing Harmony and ONENESS is that which GOD's agenda is about, ...not DESTRUCTION, DEATH, and SEPARATION...
I could post a multitude of scriptures on this biblical fact .... but you have a Bible I presume
Oh yeah... for once, :omg: you PRESUME
correctly! I have a well worn one... And it is my most PRIZED POSSESSION... and I would recommend you get one...
Go ahead, list your folly Stephen... I am more than ready to refute your LIES... for I am DAILY in His hand... and at His service... Laying myself before Him in humility, for I, of myself am NOTHING... but I am confident in Him and the refutation He shall provide to EXPOSE you...
Bring it on bro... that is, ...if you can
Let us see if you can even bring ONE (humble) verse (which makes any SENSE at all), ...let alone a (prideful) "multitude"...