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the Book of Revelation is the Story of Human History

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marie glen:
hi! I happened to tune into a study of the book of revelation yesterday on the radio. These aLways drive me crazy!! Don't they realize Revelation, or its Greek name, "Apocalypse" (unveiling), is the story of the consummation of good and evil? Don't they realize that there's an absolute that underlies all logic? That God is Perfect, and Perfection makes NO mistakes? Adam and Eve, placed in and of the GARDEN PARADISE had eaten of the forbidden tree of the KNOWLEDGE of both good and evil, which fruit we are still chewing on, to this day. (Once thinking ability, thus choice, was endowed, a whole new world, or tree, of possibilities 'came to be'.) In this final book of the Bible, the FRUIT OF THE EARTH is fully ripe, both goodness, and wickedness. John was a very old man, when Roman authorities banished him to an uninhabited island called "Patmos".
     While he was there, the Lord Jesus showed him a great vision of how man's world would end up. The visions of this book, like everything else God does, is highly dramatic and colorful! Believers are urged to read, listen to, and hear, the words of this little book after the mighty crash of all things false, and a last great war of nations, Armageddon (with environmental woes as a precursor to these things) and after a 1,000 year Kingdom of our Lord's long second advent (of rebuilding paradise upon Earth) - the New Jerusalem (the new capital of the planet) comes down from heaven, onto the earth.
     It shines of jewels and gold, and the pure sparkling river of the water of life flows through it, to all the world, with trees of life on either side, which leaves and fruit will be for the total healing, and continued health of the nations. No eye will again cry from sorrow, there will be no sickness, suffering or death. The question of good and evil, right and wrong, what is life as opposed to what is death, has been answered for all time, and all citizens have it engraved deeply upon their very hearts and minds for all eternity and ages. To stray from Perfection/Life/God, is to stray away from the very "breath of life" and can only ever end in a self destructive puff of smoke... and dust and ashes.
     Elsewhere it says "eye has not seen, nor ear conceived, nor heart ever been able to fully imagine, all the good things God has created for those who love Him."

Paul L:
Marie,

It can be very difficult to surmise how there can be so many different interpretations of Revelation. So many theologists, and novice theologists, are so insistent on pushing a specialized interpretation that they are oblivious to the fact that only the Bible itself is needed for a full & complete understanding of the book.

A classic example as follows:

Rev 1:10-11 Explains to the reader that the message of Revelation is to be delivered to the 7 ecclesias (churches, assemblies, congregations) on the Day of the Lord. All seven congregations receive the message on the same day which is the opening day of the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy. No interpretation of scripture is needed here, only thing to understand here is that seven congregations of ecclesias (Greek: assembly, congregation) in these 7 cities are to have the message read  to them by some messenger all on the same day. But what does the Christian church do but interpret the interpretation & change the day of delivery from "day of the Lord", to 2000 years of Christian church eras of history.

Believing in the bogus interpretation of "seven christian church eras" will precipitate a total incapacity of just about all readers to understand much of anything about the purpose of the book of Revelation.

marie glen:
Not only is the seven ages of the church silly and erroneous, but so is a 7 year tribulation, the math is simple - daniel 12:11,12 (45 days, 35 plus "ten days"). The Book of Revelation is very easy to understand, but not of course, without God's Spirit. The book opens by saying 'blessed are those who hear, listen to and heed what is written therein'. What's most amazing to me, however is the number of times 'good' christian people try to turn you away from reading and understanding the Book of Revelation. Granted some believe 'last days' troubles will be miraculously escaped from, by being 'raptured' / "caught away" before hand, which flies right in the face of "immediately aFter the tribulation of those days.. shall they see the Son of man coming on the clouds.. He will send out his angels to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth" (north, south, east, west).
- And the thing is, if there is no pre trouble arrival of Jesus ("the dead will be raised first..") then as the people of God hopefully we are able to point out the signs Jesus gave concerning it.. But there is definitely a strong spirit in opposition to that. Or maybe it's just that human nature doesn't change.. these days, our prophet is the apostle John (and others) and what was written about the collapse of men's empires. Surely we're not under the delusion that they will avoid collapse/results/judgement of God. Shall we leave our kids and grand kids defenseless, without knowledge and warning! :eek: :smile:
~ Jesus said "when you see" Mt 24"15, Dan 12:11 "when you see" Lk 21:20, Rev 16:14,15,16
And don't forget! Just like the prophets spoke of the two advents of Jesus as a blend of the two, so too with Bible prophecy.. an 'immediate' fulfillment and an 'end' days one without any gap being apparent..

WhiteWings:

--- Quote from: marie glen on October 16, 2012, 05:28:12 PM ---Not only is the seven ages of the church silly and erroneous, but so is a 7 year tribulation, the math is simple - daniel 12:11,12 (45 days, 35 plus "ten days").

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daniel 12:11,12

11 From the era when the continuous ritual is taken away, and to the setting of the abomination of desolation, is a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
12 Happy is he who will tarry and attain to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!
1290 and 1335 days
Where are the 35 and 45 days?

Paul L:
Marie,


--- Quote --- Granted some believe 'last days' troubles will be miraculously escaped from, by being 'raptured' / "caught away" before hand, which flies right in the face of "immediately aFter the tribulation of those days.. shall they see the Son of man coming on the clouds.. He will send out his angels to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth" (north, south, east, west).
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I've tried mightily to study the Greek concerning what Apostle Paul stated about Christ's coming to "catch away" the Body of Christ, & events in Revelation, but the only meaningful clue  that I've been able to discover that would separate Christ's coming to put down AntiChrist & his coming for the Body of Christ is the two events may not occur at exactly the same moment in time. Paul's description of events sound similar enough to me that it could happen at exactly the time he defeats AntiChrist, but I'm ambivalent about it to say the least. I don't think there is enough information in the bible that we could conclude it one way or the other.


--- Quote ---And don't forget! Just like the prophets spoke of the two advents of Jesus as a blend of the two, so too with Bible prophecy.. an 'immediate' fulfillment and an 'end' days one without any gap being apparent..
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Which "two advents" are you speaking of here?

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