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Revelation 1:5 and reborn

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WhiteWings:
I often read on this forum that we have to be reborn. Rebirth is mainly spiritual. A turn from darkness and stepping on the path of light.
I think all agree Jesus was on the path of light His whole earthly life.

(Rev 1:5) and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

If Jesus was perfect He didn't need spiritual rebirth, so the above verse stricktly speaks about His body being reborn. (resurrected)

What pattern does that show for believers and unbelievers?

Beloved Servant:



I've also wondered if I will, sleep then wake, or will it be transfiguration?
But since I've already died with Christ I prefer the latter.

dajomaco:
What purpose would our lord have in having you transfigured.
More than having you sleep and wake.

Just curious 
 :bigGrin:

Beloved Servant:


To fulfill the Scriptures that are written.
See above.

WhiteWings:

--- Quote from: Beloved Servant on February 05, 2012, 05:08:56 PM ---


I've also wondered if I will, sleep then wake, or will it be transfiguration?
But since I've already died with Christ I prefer the latter.

--- End quote ---
John 15:20 Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.


Frankly that still puzzles me a lot. If master Jesus had to die then His servant has to die too. Otherwise the serveant would be greater than the Master. I think that even includes Beloved Servants  :winkgrin:

But... OTOH Jesus' mission was to accomplish change. Undo the works of Adam. From that pov it can be argued Jesus was Master because He accomplished the change and not His servants.

/EDIT By that I mean the change of not dying.

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