Actually, Doug's post included it and mine referred to it.
as a part of God's plan the Jews have been blinded, for our benefit, and at the time of the end, when the fulfillment of the Gentiles has happened, the Jews will be brought back into the fold.
THIS is what Paul is talking about in Romans [9,10]11. In Romans 11 he is very clear, Jesus will return, and they will be saved. This is the promise God made to the tribe of Judah. Romans 11 is an end time prophecy. It is not yet happened.
I'm not real involved in this thread, but I totally agree. It's the Plan of the Ages. I don't care to explain it by labels or try to put it in some eschatological category, but according to my understanding of the scriptures.
First Israel (throughout the OT and beginning of the New, pre-cross).
After the cross, the elect of the Gentiles (plus a few Jews as part of the elect who are given eyes to see) while the rest are blinded; "..their minds were hardened, for unto this day the same vail at the reading of the Old Covenant doth remain unwithdrawn..". Only in Christ is that veil removed, and yet according to the Jewish religion, Yashua is not (as yet) seen as the Messiah.
Within that elect, those few given faith to believe in this age, there is neither Jew nor Gentile; both alive and having become one in Christ. His body.
Time of Gentiles fulfilled, all Israel saved.
I agree with Romans 11;25 entirely, and Romans 9 and Galatians 3 and 4. IT HAS BEGUN and IS HAPPENING- it is just not yet FULFILLED. ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. Of course- eventually EVERYONE will be saved. The plan of the ages requires more stages and we all know that this is not the last age. IMO,The ONE NEW MAN(Eph 4, Rev 12, that will come out of the woman will be the priesthood that reconciles the rest of Israel and the rest of all mankind. However, it remains to be seen what that salvation entails and how it will transpire- we arent given the details.
In this age it is about this:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us
; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace
; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross
, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord
: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
There we see again Colossians "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. "
Ephesians 2:16 .....that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross
STAGE ONE OF THE RECONCILIATION OF ALL THINGS IS THE CHURCH, which is the Body and the One New Man- Jew and Gentile. The remaining stages are seen through a glass darkly.
This also has ALREADY BEGUN but is NOT YET FULFILLED. If you want a prophetic time clock, another good one is WATCH The CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST. When she BEGINS TO GLOW and TRAVAIL then you know that the end is near so REJOICE, GO UP ON THE ROOF, LOOK UP! Ephesians 4 is just as prophetic as anything else as far as I am concerned.
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine
, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Notice to whom the promises Jesus makes in the book of revelations are made. "To Him who overcomes". Figuring out who the devil is or who the anti-Christ is is not overcoming. Understanding what the Bride of Christ is and getting CLEANED AND PRESSED, is overcoming (How else will we get to be "without spot wrinkle or blemish"
If you think about it, as you said Molly, Daniel and Revelation are about the "time of the end"- the end of this age, we have been in it for a while and will be in it for a while more. But also Daniel and Revelation are about the Bride and the Overcomers
Almost EVERY WORD JESUS SPEAKS TO JOHN IS FOR THE BRIDE AND THE OVERCOMERS. The rest of His words are to EXHORT THOSE WHO ARE FALLING AWAY TO REPENT. THE PRE-EMINENT PURPOSE OF THIS AGE IS THE PREISTHOOD, the ONE NEW MAN, the CITY OF GOD- ALL OF THESE ARE ABOUT THE RECONCILIATION OF THE REST OF THE CREATION(ROMANS 8).
We talk in heated tones about how people are back slid and not ready etc etc. I don't kno if we realize that the body of Christ is the ark of the Lord in these last days. What deliverance there is will be in the house of God for those who are in the secret place of the Most High. For others there will be grace to "do exploits"--- in that portion of Daniel it also says that people will join them(the people who kno their God) in hypocrisy, Why? Because of the power and presence of Gd in the midst. For others there will be grace to "lay down their lives" when the great purges of Christians begins again. The plan of the ages IS NOW for everyone and always has been. So- are we to debate what WILL BE? as we always do? (Tell us Lord, When cometh the kingdom to Israel?) or will we PRESS IN TO WHAT IS NOW, the glory of God in the tabernacle of the Spirit, living stones, fitly joined together in the bond of peace and the mortar of brotherly love- ah, there is the rub, for that to happen we must GET HOLD of what we need to be GOTTEN HOLD OF :o) (Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you)
Think about it, where did the persecutions occur. WHERE THE CHURCH WAS WALKING IN VICTORY!
It will be the manifestation of the body of Christ in glory under the Headship of Jesus in the latter rain that will PROVOKE the prophecies we speak of as if it is all about the devil and the forces of Anti Christ, but IT IS NOT. It is a revelation of GOD, VICTORIOUS IN HIS PEOPLE, the MANFESTATION OF TRUTH ARISING TO MEET HIM IN CLOUDS OF GLORY.
You see this played out OVER AND OVER. The reign of Jehoshaphat.....AFTER the RESTORATION OF ISRAEL under his righteous reign, ALL THE ARMIES OF THE CANAANITES SURROUNDED JEruSALEM......... the reign of Hezekiah, AFTER THE RESTORATION OF ISRAEL under his righteous reign, the ASSYRIANS under BENHADAD came and surrounded the HOLY CITY and Rabshekah breathed out threats against the Lord and His people......
IMO, It will be AFTER THE GLORY RETURNS TO THE TEMPLE(of living stones) that we will see most of the final literal fulfillments of the prophecies concerning this age- WHICH IS ABOUT THE CHURCH :o)