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Offline ed

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Revelation 19:21
« on: January 20, 2014, 11:24:27 PM »
Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Had this verse explained to me today.  Appearantly Jesus is going to slay all the unbelievers with the sword at his second coming.

Holy cow.  Never thought such a though about old Jesus until today.  :doh:

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2014, 11:25:59 PM »
Did he mention that Jesus slaying unbelievers with the sword and making their flesh die is good for them?

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2014, 11:35:59 PM »
Did he mention that Jesus slaying unbelievers with the sword and making their flesh die is good for them?

 :banana:  Not yet.  Is that comming?  :eek:

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2014, 11:37:37 PM »
If the word of God (the sword) has cleansed your heart, it already has happened.

Aren't we told to be crucified with Christ?  :dsunny:


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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2014, 11:47:01 PM »
If the word of God (the sword) has cleansed your heart, it already has happened.

Aren't we told to be crucified with Christ?  :dsunny:

Ah.  You are saying that this is not a physical war.  Boy I was freaking out.  Thanks.

Honestly I never paid much attention to Revelation.  I'm having to ask this guy how it all works.  Any help on the topic will be appreciated.



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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2014, 11:50:06 PM »
No, not a physical war. The sword comes out of his MOUTH, not in his hand. That makes it the word of God. It's symbolic. Romans 19 is basically describing a worldwide circumcision of the heart.

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2014, 12:57:42 AM »
Seth, why would the fowls be filled with their flesh if this is not literal? It can't be literal because the sword is in his mouth but don't understand about the fowls.

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2014, 01:36:34 AM »
Well, I haven't investigated the meaning of birds totally, but they could represent good and evil spirits bringing either deceit or truth:

Jer 5:27
Like cages full of birds, their houses are full of deceit; they have become rich and powerful

Mat 13:4
As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up.

Psalm 55
5Fearfulness and trembling are come upon me, and horror hath overwhelmed me.
6And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.

Matthew 13:6
As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove


If the "spirit" from the word for "breath" or "wind," it makes sense that lying or truthful spirits are typified by birds flying in the air. So if Christ is casting away their flesh by the Sword from his mouth, it could mean that the Spirit is giving truth typified by birds eating up the flesh.

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2014, 02:26:01 AM »
To the church in Pergamum.........Rev 2;16  Repent therefore! Otherwise I will come to you

 and fight against them with the sword of my mouth[Hebrews 4;12 divide soul and spirit,

 joints and marrow,judges thoughts and attitudes of the heart]

  look!  valley of dry bones!  Ezekiel 37..........I saw a great  many bones on the floor of the valley

 bones that were very dry...Prophesy to these bones  Dry bones..hear the word of the Lord

  I will make breath enter you and you will come to life...........

  v 11   then He said to me,son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel...they said

  Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone;we are cut off. Therefore prophesy to them

      'THIS IS WHAT THE SOVEREIGN LORD SAYS.......O'MY PEOPLE,I AM GOING TO OPEN

 YOUR GRAVES AND BRING YOU UP FROM THEM;I WILL BRING YOU BACK TO THE LAND

OF ISRAEL. THEN YOU,MY PEOPLE,WILL KNOW THAT I AM GOD WHEN I OPEN YOUR GRAVES

AND BRING YOU UP FROM THEM.AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU AND YOU WILL LIVE.


  ch38 and 39...His prophecy against Gog   See Rev 20;8

   

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2014, 02:30:30 AM »
these bones are the whole house of Israel

There is only one way into Israel: repent..., heed the words of the Spirit and the Bride to enter the city..."come all ye who are athirst"

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2014, 03:45:24 AM »
 :flamebreath:

Here is my take on it.

Jesus killing a bunch of people does not line up with the rest of scripture.  There is enough symbolism in Revelation to look at it as symbolic.

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

I've been a Christian for many years.  I really paid no attention to the whole Armageddon Revelation trip.  I paid attention to walking in fellowship with Christ.  Nothing in me allows an interpretation where Jesus kills a bunch of people.

I'd have to say NO Jesus!  Stop! 

So there must be an interpretation that jives with the Spirit that we have been given.  If there is not, then we should throw the book of Revelation away.   Actually I've said that many times.  But I'm trying to allow for the whole, it all has to fit together, since the Bible is our Holy Book.

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2014, 09:08:30 AM »
Ed, kinda strange verse. A sword coming out of Jesus mouth....
I think the sword is just His tongue. Speaking the truth cuts down all lies. Just like elsewhere in Revelation we read satan poisons minds with false doctrine, Jesus does the opposite.
How exactly that is to be aligned with flesh being eaten I don't know. Yet  :winkgrin:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2014, 07:07:55 PM »
  a broken spirit is dryness to the bones..    For I will not always find fault..for then the spirit would

 fail.  when our flesh has failed[been consumed of the birds/seed word in us snatched away

   the good that I wish to do..I do not do] and our spirit stricken/contrite

  and we feel failure and cut off from Him.  He says    ...a broken spirit who can bear? it is

as dryness to the bones.....my Grace is sufficient.......

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2014, 06:53:46 AM »
The word of God is living aand active and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the dividing asunder soul and spirit, bone and marrow, and making manifest the thoughts and intentions of the heart.(Hebrews ch 4)

The sword will cut open the hearts, tearing away the veils,  of those who are hiding their faces from the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.... and it is doing the same thing now for all who seek Him.(2 Cor 3:16-4:5)

In that day He will slay Leviathan, the twisting, fleeing serpent with the sword of His mouth,
In that day, SING OF IT! A vineyard. (Isaiah 27)



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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2014, 07:18:04 AM »
The word of God is living aand active and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the dividing asunder soul and spirit, bone and marrow, and making manifest the thoughts and intentions of the heart.(Hebrews ch 4)

The sword will cut open the hearts, tearing away the veils,  of those who are hiding their faces from the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.... and it is doing the same thing now for all who seek Him.(2 Cor 3:16-4:5)

In that day He will slay Leviathan, the twisting, fleeing serpent with the sword of His mouth,
In that day, SING OF IT! A vineyard. (Isaiah 27)

Love that 2 Corinthians verse.

What is this Leviathan teaching?

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 07:31:52 AM »
Leviathan is spoken of in Job 41, as a dragon, or serpent, "King of the sons of pride", representing the adversary within individually, as well as the adversary in mankind generally.
In Isaiah, as well as in Revelations Jesus has a sharp sword coming out of His mouth, the Hebrews 4 12 sword  "for all things are opened to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do". As well as the sword out of the mouth thing, Jesus' eyes are as flames of fire.

IMO, All of this speaks of exposing secret attitudes of pride and lust and deceit, the ways of man are the ways of the serpent in the garden, "Did God really say you cannot eat it? Or was He just pullin your leg to keep you from knowing everything like He does?  Waall Pardna, You bet He said it, with a living and active word that divides asunder soul and spirit, He said it - An He's gonna keep sayin it till every single soul that ever lived knows it ;o)
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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2014, 09:08:46 AM »
Ed, kinda strange verse. A sword coming out of Jesus mouth....
I think the sword is just His tongue. Speaking the truth cuts down all lies. Just like elsewhere in Revelation we read satan poisons minds with false doctrine, Jesus does the opposite.
How exactly that is to be aligned with flesh being eaten I don't know. Yet  :winkgrin:
Adding to my previous post.
A sword cuts or divides.

The most ancient manuscripts were just one long string of letters with no spaces between the upper case only words. So the reader had to divide the text in separate words to understand it. The right dividing was not always agreed upon. Timothy hints at that problem. By mentioning rightly dividing Timothy implies the text was sometimes wrongly divided.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


While it happened long after the Bible was penned down, breaking up the Bible in verses and chapters takes that process a little further. While very handy it can also cause wrong interpretation when done incorrectly.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2014, 06:50:34 PM »
Waall Pardna, You bet He said it,

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Re: Revelation 19:21
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2014, 08:13:22 PM »
I really paid no attention to the whole Armageddon Revelation trip.

The most important thing to keep in mind is that it means "Arm-a-geddon" outta here - out of the here-and-now, and into the next world/age.  Yippee!  :gimmefive:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.