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Offline marie glen

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I Had to Laugh at Myself
« on: January 04, 2014, 06:23:52 AM »
I'll confess, it makes me a little crazy when i come across folks saying, the Bible is metaphor.. prophecy is metaphor.. life is metaphor (oops not that one!) and the Book of revelation is metaphor..

There's two pieces of the (Revelation) puzzle which have eluded me.. "a white stone" (teachable? able to absorb teaching of the Spirit of God?)

and "the two witnesses"

I realize i have leaned toward thinking of the two witnesses as metaphor! I've struggled to figure out just what it is, who or what they are.. and because I don't understand I have tried to twist it into metaphor..

But I've realized, or that is to say, i now believe they are exactly what the text says.. Sometime during very latter days, there will be two prophets prophesying in Jerusalem.

I ask ya, what was so very hard about that? :laughing7: :declare: :mock:
- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process?
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Re: I Had to Laugh at Myself
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2014, 06:39:37 AM »
A white stone was given as a token of a person being innocent, in a legal way.  In the war of Texas independence, after a battle which the Texans lost, the prisoners were made to take a bean from a pot.  One tenth of the beans were white, and the rest were black.  Any Texan who pulled out a white bean was spared - the rest were killed.

I see the two witnesses as the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: I Had to Laugh at Myself
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2014, 03:31:40 PM »
No idea.  I have not read it in years.  I remember when I did read it, over and over again, that I was fine with completely throwing it way and never thinking about it again.

People keep bringing it up.  I guess I will have to bask in the confusion for a bit to see if there is anything edifying in it.

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Re: I Had to Laugh at Myself
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 01:42:25 AM »
I don't know the degree to which the events of Revelation will literally play out on earth. The way I look at is, God has ordained the literal meaning. In other words, God is satisfied if people understand it literally. Now, that does not actually mean that the events will literally take place. But, in the process of understanding it literally, people will discover truth.

It's similar to how, if people lived their life assuming a certain fictional story was true, they could grasp the moral of the story and practice it to make sure they would not share the same fate as the characters. The fact that the characters never actually lived is irrelevant.

But, suppose on the other hand, people knew that the story was fictional. Then, they made up their own meanings to everything and accidentally changed the message of the story. That's why I worry about jumping to the conclusion that Revelation is symbolic and employing too much imagination to assign meanings to the symbols and scenes.

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Re: I Had to Laugh at Myself
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 06:34:38 AM »
I'll confess, it makes me a little crazy when i come across folks saying, the Bible is metaphor.. prophecy is metaphor.. life is metaphor (oops not that one!) and the Book of revelation is metaphor..

There's two pieces of the (Revelation) puzzle which have eluded me.. "a white stone" (teachable? able to absorb teaching of the Spirit of God?)

and "the two witnesses"

I realize i have leaned toward thinking of the two witnesses as metaphor! I've struggled to figure out just what it is, who or what they are.. and because I don't understand I have tried to twist it into metaphor..

But I've realized, or that is to say, i now believe they are exactly what the text says.. Sometime during very latter days, there will be two prophets prophesying in Jerusalem.

I ask ya, what was so very hard about that? :laughing7: :declare: :mock:

Have you given any thought that the Revelation of Jesus Christ is spiritual, a work that is being worked out now, within believers? That just as Gen. 1:26-27 is a work in progress, still and yet to come? That just because we, humans have put all that was spoken in Genesis as past tense, the Creator is and has been CREATING and the Revelation of Jesus Christ is a work right now in progress and the two witness's you speak of are yet to be revealed with in the mystery of His Work in those He has Chosen? It just seems to me, that me, and all of us, draw what we believe and think we know, from what we have gained as knowledge, is terribly attached to the denominations we came out of?
It's time to clean the chalk board and start from what we[as individuals] have found from what the Bible teaches, each of us....by the Spirit, and not from what we were taught that brought us here.
I believe Paul, Peter, and the rest are still just our tutors to bring us to graduation[consummation]. Paul in his life was still just running the race when his breath was taken, he had not reached the finished line. It ain't over till it's over, to use a human phrase. :dsunny: Yeah it's just an opinion.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: I Had to Laugh at Myself
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2014, 05:34:12 PM »




  It ain't over till it's over, to use a human phrase. :dsunny: Yeah it's just an opinion.

I think that as soon as we step over to Christ's side, eternity has begin for us.  Therefore, IT AIN'T NEVER OVER, dirt nap notwithstanding... :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.