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Seven Church Angels
« on: July 22, 2014, 03:50:32 AM »
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

So what happens to the seven angels? Do we here about them again in Revelation?

Yes, for each message is "To the Angel of the Church of "X" write...". Why not "to the church"? Why are the messages to the Angels of the Church?

Where else do we see seven angels in Revelation?

Rev 8:2  And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
and...
Rev 15:6  And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

But who are these Angels, these Messengers of God?
1Co 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?




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Re: Seven Church Angels
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 05:45:51 AM »
The word "angel" is also the word for messenger. In Daniel it is written, "And those who lead the many to righteousness will shine like the stars of heaven".
If you read what was written in the seven letters, you begin to see a pattern. For instance, "you allow that false prophetess Jezebel to teach my people to commit fornication and eat meat sacrificed to idols.", or, "You hate the doctrine of the Nicolaitans which I also hate", or "Except you repent I will remove your Lampstand from its place."

Jesus need not write letters to angels. They are as the breaths of God and they go where He wills like winds or flames.

The letters, imo, are written to the presbyteries(elders/shepherds) of the churches. Who tolerates false teachers? Angels?

That is unlikely imo.
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Re: Seven Church Angels
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 06:31:41 AM »
Men being referred to as Angels:
Psa 103:17  But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
Psa 103:18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
Psa 103:19  The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.
Psa 103:20  Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Psa 103:21  Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
Psa 103:22  Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul.


From EW Post: "The letters, imo, are written to the presbyteries(elders/shepherds) of the churches. Who tolerates false teachers? Angels?"

That is what I am saying, that the elders/shepherds are being referred to as the angels being written to. The messengers of God's word:
Rev 2:1  Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
Rev 2:8  And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write;
Rev 2:12  And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write

etc...

From EW Post: ... In Daniel it is written, "And those who lead the many to righteousness will shine like the stars of heaven".

Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand,  The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches:

Are not the saints clothed in white robes, washed in the blood of Jesus?
Rev 15:6  And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

What scriptures say that Angels are appointed to judge?

But the saints are appointed to judge:
1Co 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?


Mat 22:30  For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

"As iron sharpens iron"  :Peace2:

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Re: Seven Church Angels
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 08:47:08 AM »
Yes, if you are saying the angels being written to are the elders/shepherds- it appears we agree :o)
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Re: Seven Church Angels
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 04:39:28 AM »
I probably should have expounded more on what I was trying to express.

What I was getting at was that the Seven Angels of Revelation 1-3, the Church Angels being the righteous one's of the churches (the elders as well as the faithful), may be the same Seven Angel's issuing forth the Trumpet judgments, as it is given to the saints to judge:

1Co 6:2  Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3  Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?


In the context of Revelation, imo seven may not represent an actual number, so much as that it is signifying the "last", or the fulness, just as the Seventh day of creation contained the fulness of the previous six days.

Anyway, I was looking at the trumpet judgments and how that would relate to the saints judging the world and the angels, and I couldn't really tie-in any correlation to what the judgments were implying. I don't think they are literal, but representative.

One that always stumbles me is the 1/3 thing. The best I can tell is it represents 1/3 of man, namely the flesh part being smitten, or destroyed.

Revelation continues to be allusive. Although I think I understand bits and pieces, it is really seeing through a dark glass darkly!

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Re: Seven Church Angels
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2014, 08:23:43 AM »
Yet, not all of the messeger's were approved as righteous. Jesus was saying, "I am He that weighs the reins and the hearts" and "Let him who has ears to hear hear", and "Except you repent......"- in some cases dire circumstances of kolassis for disobedience....actually, in most cases(5 out of the seven, and one called dead, and synagogue of Satan) :o)
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