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Offline dajomaco

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2014, 10:33:03 PM »
I believe thy sold what they owned and had all things in common because of the power of the Spirit among them.

I don't believe the power of the Spirit came upon them because the sold everything they owned.

I believe the power of the Spirit came upon them because they had been discipled by Jesus and "hollowed out" by the events pertaining to His death, burial, resurrection and ascension- so that they had become as on soul awaiting obediently at His command for the promise.

When the promise came upon them they sold everything and had all things in common because they no longer "needed" anything beyond the Spirit who was providing all their needs as "mission command".

"You shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you and you will be witnesses unto me"

"And the Lord worked with them, confirming the word with signs and wonders following"

I believe the power of the Spirit came upon them because they had been discipled by Jesus and "hollowed out" by the events pertaining to His death, burial, resurrection and ascension- so that they had become as on soul awaiting obediently at His command for the promise.

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2014, 10:35:42 PM »
The most well-known interaction between man kind and the holy spirit was the day of Pentecost.

After this interaction everyone touched by the spirit sold everything they owned.
I think that those who sell everything they have and hold everything in common,
are closer to the early believers.

(I am not one of these).
If I ever did sell everything I owned and gave it away.

I believe the holy spirit would be more real to me.
 

It's a bit difficult to be one of those believers because the practice of having everything in common concerning material needs is no longer practiced in general. You shouldn't be expected to sell all if the church isn't likewise sharing all.

 I understand what you are saying.
The idea of being set completely free.
I can say I surrender all, but until I do?
For me to surrender all would mean to me that I was seeing through the dark glass.
I hope one day that I could say I sold everything and bought the pearl.  :cloud9:

  all you have to do  Bro D , and I am sure you have is confess your lack and need for more of Him , that is what I do  often       and  almost daily   
 confess I  need him  and His Spirit of truth  because of my own       common need   of being a human being and desiring to be a spiritual being  more pleasing in the sight of our Father   finding     my need of the world is less and less    and could care less what the world thinks of me       and the need  for Jesus Christ more and more       :flowerred:     I do love you all    in Jesus
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2014, 10:37:03 PM »
I believe thy sold what they owned and had all things in common because of the power of the Spirit among them.

I don't believe the power of the Spirit came upon them because the sold everything they owned.

I believe the power of the Spirit came upon them because they had been discipled by Jesus and "hollowed out" by the events pertaining to His death, burial, resurrection and ascension- so that they had become as on soul awaiting obediently at His command for the promise.

When the promise came upon them they sold everything and had all things in common because they no longer "needed" anything beyond the Spirit who was providing all their needs as "mission command".

"You shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you and you will be witnesses unto me"

"And the Lord worked with them, confirming the word with signs and wonders following"

I believe the power of the Spirit came upon them because they had been discipled by Jesus and "hollowed out" by the events pertaining to His death, burial, resurrection and ascension- so that they had become as on soul awaiting obediently at His command for the promise.

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  yes of course we all agree with this !!! :flowerred:     Joel 2      prophecy fulfilled in this
 
 pour out spirit on all flesh I will Pour Out My Spirit
28"It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions. 29"Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

Luke 1:67
His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied:

John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Acts 2:17
"'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2014, 10:50:19 PM »
all you have to do  Bro D , and I am sure you have is confess your lack and need for more of Him , that is what I do  often       and  almost daily   
 confess I  need him  and His Spirit of truth  because of my own       common need   of being a human being and desiring to be a spiritual being  more pleasing in the sight of our Father   finding     my need of the world is less and less    and could care  less what the world thinks of me       and the need  for Jesus Christ more and more             I do love you all    in Jesus


 :dsunny:Thank you for your wonderful encouragement :dsunny:

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2014, 12:25:31 AM »
I've lived in communal situations, and I've lived with folks who seemed to share the same spirit of love manifested among the early believers. The problem is it's too easy for the distribution of material necessities to become unjust. That's why communist countries are dysfunctional. The church may try to appear to imitate the pattern of the early ecclesia, but it is corrupt as can be seen by all the poor followers compared to all the wealth of the Vatican and the TV preachers. They use the Hebrew law to require tithes and then beg for more money above that, but believers in the body of Christ are not subject to the Hebrew law and shouldn't be on a guilt trip because the Vatican's or the TV preacher's mortgage is due. I think we should do what we can to help those in need as part of evangelizing them on a personal basis wherever we find them without requiring any money in return to pay the mortgage of a building to preach to them in.

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2014, 01:31:06 AM »
I've lived in communal situations, and I've lived with folks who seemed to share the same spirit of love manifested among the early believers. The problem is it's too easy for the distribution of material necessities to become unjust. That's why communist countries are dysfunctional. The church may try to appear to imitate the pattern of the early ecclesia, but it is corrupt as can be seen by all the poor followers compared to all the wealth of the Vatican and the TV preachers. They use the Hebrew law to require tithes and then beg for more money above that, but believers in the body of Christ are not subject to the Hebrew law and shouldn't be on a guilt trip because the Vatican's or the TV preacher's mortgage is due. I think we should do what we can to help those in need as part of evangelizing them on a personal basis wherever we find them without requiring any money in return to pay the mortgage of a building to preach to them in.

 Hi Bro Tom
                     for me,   they,, those  are still," poor in spirit ", being "spiritually poor." because they Lack the True   Living God 's Spirit in them still
 
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Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2014, 03:08:31 AM »
I cannot help but ask[for I truly do not have any idea or thought] where this " Liberation Theology" came from. :Chinscratch: :sigh: :HeartThrob: :Peace2:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2014, 03:35:36 AM »
I cannot help but ask[for I truly do not have any idea or thought] where this " Liberation Theology" came from. :Chinscratch: :sigh: :HeartThrob: :Peace2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2014, 04:06:05 AM »
I cannot help but ask[for I truly do not have any idea or thought] where this " Liberation Theology" came from. :Chinscratch: :sigh: :HeartThrob: :Peace2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

Gee that's the help? Thanks, to much knowledge. :Peace2:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2014, 04:28:23 AM »
If someone asked, "What is Pentecostalism" or "how do you define Pentecostal theology"- only the opponents of Pentecostalism could define it. Pentecostals are to divcerse and often opposed to one another to accept a common defintion that would really fit.

It is similar with Liberation theology which can run the gammit from thinly veiled communism to a genuine appreciation of the words of the prophets, apostles and Messiah, about economic equity and the sin of greed and dominance by man over man.
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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2014, 06:15:55 AM »
 :Oops: I'll quit now with anymore  :2c:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2014, 07:35:15 AM »
I don't know why my answering your question from my honest perspective would make you quit but, don't do so on my account :o)
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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2014, 05:09:34 PM »
I still prefer to help those in need on a personal basis rather than through an institution. If that makes me guilty of believing a certain theology according to somebody's perspective, then that's their thing. I think we all should live our lives according to our own worldview, and for some that means how we interpret scripture which obviously is not the same for everybody. 


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Re: Liberation Theology
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2014, 07:30:40 PM »
I don't know why my answering your question from my honest perspective would make you quit but, don't do so on my account :o)

It didn't really, I just am amazed at all the stuff that is out there that I know nothing about nor really care or find a need for. My liberation is not a theology.....
Rom 8:2  for the law of the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus did set me free from the law of the sin and of the death;
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.