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Offline Caffus

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The Beast in the temple
« on: April 16, 2015, 10:08:45 PM »
Im pretty sure I read somewhere in the Revelation that the beast will be in the temple claiming to be Christ Himself and in a book on UR called Gods plan for all that Jesus will be in the temple in Jerusalem during His 1000 year rein? :dontknow:

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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2015, 10:37:27 PM »
 our bodies are His temple..if the spirit of Christ dwell in us.I don't ever see that changing...I seek Jerusalem Above..a city

 not built by human hands..nor a temple that is built by the hands of men.   the wisdom from above is not like that...those that

  see such in carnal terms will be the very 'beasts' sitting in their manmade temple..and convincincing themselves they are god.

    the promised land/Israel and Jerusalem/Mt Zion was but a mere shadow of reality that is in heaven[store up for yourselves treasures

   in heaven..where moth and rust does not consume and robbers don't break in]      Mt Zion with the city surrounded by clouds

  was a good pictoral of the REAL CITY THAT AWAITS US.

   man,held in honour..without as the beast......

  now.some are not of this persuasion here..but I am convinced.

  this world is but a shadow of the true reality...He showed these things to us[Word of God come in flesh] that we may wrap our mind

 around it.....for it has not entered into the heart of man what God has in store for those who love Him.......

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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2015, 11:29:48 PM »
Thank you, I believe noone on earth can understand all Gods truths completely. Which is why we have to trust and rely on Him. But I also believe He wants us to understand as much as we can, so we know Him better.  :HeartThrob:

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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2015, 01:09:30 AM »
My opinion is that truth is unfolded according to man's accommodative reasoning and his spiritual capacity and according to his needs proportionately.

It is not all truth that gets revealed, it is a truth from Truth - an aspect. Consequently, truth revealed at one time may appear different to the same truth revealed at a later time, although they are the same truth and do not contradict each other, but man's spiritual reasoning and capacity and needs are different - he may have learned something and therefore can benefit from a further development of the truth which again may appear somewhat different from a superficial viewpoint.

Also to consider: an earlier truth is taken by man and added to; and it becomes absorbed into the collective consciousness, then is added to again by man, and so on, until it has become accepted as Divine Truth but in reality it only has a grain of Truth in it. The message was simple and fit for the hearers, and to whom the message was directed. So the simple message is taken by man and denatured, tinged, polished and interwoven - because man seems to need to make everything complicated.

So the Holy Spirit, to deliver the further revelation, needs to clear away the superstition added by man to the earlier revelation.

And while all messages have a universal spiritual application, often each message is also directed at a particular group and its specific message is for them and not later groups again.

Revelation script also has a universal application, as does all scripture, but it has a local target and this can help separate the symbolism for current cultural belief and its more universal application.

And such messages are shadowed forth from another World of existence to find their way onto parchment. A written application - a material manifestation - is not the inner vision, as the painting is never the real picture in the artist's inner vision - it is a shadow, a reproduction.

So, as you can see, spiritual discernment through the Agency of the Holy Spirit and prayer and the light of Reason are essential prerequisites to unravelling revelations that have been recorded overtime. One soul may receive and another may reject. Truth is not forced, it needs to be accepted. And new truth is only ever accepted by a few and rejected by the many. The drink to which they are accustomed and inspired is not readily abandoned for some unknown and unheard of taste due to its newness. Yet all matured drink must have been new to somebody at some point and rejected: Moses, prophets, Jesus.

Sheila makes very valid points I think. When this was written, the cruel and beastly earthly rulers did consider themselves gods. Also, as God has given us a part of His Spirit in miniature, having been made in His Image, it would not be blasphemous to say that as we operate and create in Christ, He is preserving our treasures in heaven as God is the Creator, and we will find we have contributed to the City we arrive in out of our sacrificial love and suffering - because only that made out of selfless love has life in eternity or it will not linger long.

That is my opinion.
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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2015, 01:47:47 AM »
  lovely post.....of which I am very much in agreement........ :friendstu:

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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2015, 02:19:56 AM »
There is something about the numeral 666 and the worship of the beast and his image, that I believe is related to the abomination of desolation.

As Sheila pointed out, the temple of the Lord is built of living stones. Man is the temple of God. So here is what my current "see thru a glass darkly" telescope is presently seeing....

Many of the spirit principles and prophecies are fulfilled in multiple layers of depth. Because of Paul's words to the Thessalonians concerning the son of perdition, and also considering what Last Post pointed out- that world rulers have a tendency to decalre themselves as god- I belive this...there will be an actual historic manifestation of the spirit of ant-Christ before the second advent. But we may not even be here for that, so we need to be fully aware of how these prophecies are active "in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus" and among "the rulers of the hosts of wickeness in the heavenly realms", in the Now of God, in which these spiritual pictures and metaphors are always "Living and Active and Sharper than any Two-Edged Sword :o)

The spirit of anti-Christ, which has been in the world since Christ at least, and which spirit has had many representations, is coalescing towards a final manifestation in the one who has been called the "son of perdition".

Daniel speaks of him as a sorcerer, who understands dark sentences, as a betrayer of his God and his father's God- perhaps an apostate, but certainly one in who the adversary will find perfect expression of the principles Sheila was speaking of

These principles are already in effect and always have been. Abominations in the temple abound, but the grossest is the worship of a wicked one "in place of Christ". Ezekiel spoke of seeing, in vision, the abomiation of elders of Israel bowing down to the east(Rah, the sun god of Egypt) and "putting a twig" to their nose(phony suffering). Paul spoke of this in Romans 1, "Altho they knew Him as God they did not glorify Him as God, but worshipped the creation over the Creator and their foolish minds were darkened....."

Most of the rulers that plagued Israel were "gods" to their people. Daniel's golden headed statue, was "headed" by Babylon, where a man who declared himself a god-king, Nebudchenezar, was worshipped(till Daniel and his bros refused and God smacked him down for 7 years).

So this anti-Christ spirit that has always been around, and many anti-Christs,  will abound as the clock ticks down to the end of this age, "lawlessness will abound because the love of many will grow cold".

Love is being frozen out by "images" of perfected(carnally) humans promoting sensuality and foolish hard hearted imaginations of men. Natural affection is being mocked and immorality is being exalted.

There is a people waiting to serve an image that tells them what they want to hear.

"Evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived" and in the temple, the buyers and sellers are bringing mockery on the gospel- "Preaching godliness as a means of gain and who glory in what they should be ashamed of"...."whose god is their belly"...."because of them the Way will be evil spoken of".

Because they receive not a love of the truth God will give them over to believe a lie, and that lie is the same old lie from the garden, "You shall become as God"... Serve and worship the self above all else- truly abominable.

This rising tide is all around us but "tho the seas rage and the mountains crumble" we will not be moved, because...."Those who know their God will be strong and do exploits"....and ...."This gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed everywhere under heaven and then the end will come".

The Holy Spirit will quicken us to speak His words in the hour of trial, take no thought what you will speak, or do, because...

Ps 95:1
He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.

 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;

 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.

The secret place is not entered by what we know. We enter by trusting. Trust littles ones :o) He will cover the rest.  LOLOL :cloud9:
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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2015, 04:22:09 AM »
Proverbs 1;6  for understanding proverbs and parables,...the sayings and riddles[dark sentences] of the wise.

  for this reason I speak unto them in parables...

   King of Tyre......are you wiser then Daniel? is nothing hidden from you?...if they had known He was the King of glory...they

  would not have crucified him.

   it will be interesting to see how He finishes it all

    Proverbs 6;16  there are 6 things the Lord hates........7 that are abominable

   haughty eyes

   a lying tongue

  hands that shed innocent blood

  a heart that devises wicked schemes

  feet that are quick to rush into evil

  a false witness who pours out lies

  and a man who stirs up dissension among brother's

   2 Chron 9;13  the weight of the gold that Solomon recieved yearly was 666 talents.

   but a greater than Solomon is here.

  to me this speaks of theocratic earthly kingdoms...King Solomon loved many women and in his old age they turned his heart away from

 the true God....the kingdom divided[a house divided can not stand]..for the sake of David his Father............. was for this reason[I believe] that Jesus said ' now,my Kingdom is not from this source"

   just a few ponderings.......

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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2015, 06:16:25 AM »
Thank you, my faith in the Truth of UR is very secure. I've never been as joyful peaceful or felt so much love from and for God sinceI was a little girl and I know its also clearly confrimed in scripture.  But there are different beliefs about other things within the faith of UR.  I just want to learn as much as I can.   :dsunny:

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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2015, 02:55:27 AM »
Im pretty sure I read somewhere in the Revelation that the beast will be in the temple claiming to be Christ Himself and in a book on UR called Gods plan for all that Jesus will be in the temple in Jerusalem during His 1000 year rein? :dontknow:

I believe Jesus will rule and restore paradise/perfection upon earth from Jerusalem during the 1000 year reign.

I am not fully convinced that there will be the building of a (the) "third temple".. I'm not sure why I cannot see this when so many others do, and even though (Daniel, I believe it was) said "he" a final days of man's world, politician, the "little horn" beast of Revelation 13:11-18 - as opposed to the world beast/body/governing of verses 13-10 - will "sit in the temple showing to himself that he is god" - a reference, I believe to man's current faith in man's theory of evolution, which has caused much of great falling away, claims God is dead, and that man is the higher power (able to decide good and evil).

Maybe they will build a 3rd temple.. but the "daily sacrifices" which will be "taken away" I believe to be the Wailing Wall, as Jesus said when the disciples were praising the temple and temple complex "see all this? not one stone will remain upon another". Yet there stands the Wailing Wall where sacrifices of prayers and praise are offered daily.. I believe it is a specific sign when the world sees the Wailing Wall removed, somewhere around the midst of the famous, prophesied seven year peace treaty (whether global or Middle Eastern(?).

Daniel 12:11, 12, seems to me to be saying three (Hebrew) years and seven months after "the daily sacrifice is taken away" ("removed") "the abomination of desolation will be set up. And blessed (happy!) is the one who waits and comes to 45 days later...

For the life of me, I just cannot see Israel carrying on the sacrifices of the Old Testament in today's world, but of course, maybe I'm wrong. Whichever daily sacrifice(s) are taken away from Israel, will be a major 'sign' i believe..

The Lord said in Matthew 24, verse 15, "when you see the abomination of desolation stand(ing?) in the holy place, Judah should flee (from Judah, today's disputed territories).. So perhaps there will be a 3rd temple.. or maybe it will simply be the temple mound..(?) or even Jerusalem..

Many of course believe Bible prophecy is usually two fold, what's called parallel, with a more or less 'immediate' fulfillment and then a "last days" fulfillment.

For example, Daniel's "beast most terrible" which most know represented Imperial Rome which destroyed Jerusalem in 70 a.d. (I won't go into the reasons why its believed to be Rome) - This beast of Daniel 7, verses 7,19-20 has the "ten horns" of the ('end' days, world) beast of Revelation 13 (see vs 1) [and also has iron teeth (columns?) and bronze claws. In Daniel chapter two, Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue of world powers (affecting Israel and Bible history) - the iron is Rome and the bronze is Greece - implying, I believe, a final days world beast evolved from and built upon roman/graeco roots, which way back when I was in school, I was taught was western civilization (built upon the classical foundations of Rome and Greece). Daniel wrote in Dan 7, "what the iron" (roman type politics of senates, courts, etc, architecture) doesn't subdue, "the bronze claws" (Greek based humanism, called today secular) "will tear up and scatter"..
     :smile: I'm currently doing a Bible prophecy study on my blog, . It's a little slow motion, as I have a rather full plate right now..
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Re: The Beast in the temple
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2015, 04:39:07 AM »
Well thank you I will take a look at that.  I've also been wondering about the mark of the beast. Most Christain churches teach if you take it your fate is sealed in hell forever.  I know the Bible speaks of a cashless society and I haerd of this as a child (Long ago)   :laugh: and I couldn't imagine it. Now I see it could happen anytime. I don't believe in eternal hell anymore but I still dont want a mark or micro chip. Ill starve to death.