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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2014, 02:03:41 AM »
What a glimpse of glory! gotta run! :))
- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process? by the end of judgement age, veRy few to cleansing in LOF?
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- "...aLL things new" Rev21:5 "A new heavens and a new earth" Rev 21:1 - Is 11:7 Micah 4:4 Is 30:25
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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2014, 04:42:56 PM »

 :hiya: hi! Watching this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzoK6OyvHF0#t=228 - I learned when the beginning of the months were set by ancient Israel - which were set by the first spotting of the new moon - sent out to do the spotting were "two witnesses". So of course I found this interesting. :Chinscratch:

The video also says if they were asked ahead of time when the new month would begin, they would answer "no one knows the day or the hour"..
- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process? by the end of judgement age, veRy few to cleansing in LOF?
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- "...aLL things new" Rev21:5 "A new heavens and a new earth" Rev 21:1 - Is 11:7 Micah 4:4 Is 30:25
http://www.bubblews.com/news/9080033 -revelation told in rhyme - 45 days

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2014, 05:29:59 PM »

 :hiya: hi! Watching this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzoK6OyvHF0#t=228 - I learned when the beginning of the months were set by ancient Israel - which were set by the first spotting of the new moon - sent out to do the spotting were "two witnesses". So of course I found this interesting. :Chinscratch:

The video also says if they were asked ahead of time when the new month would begin, they would answer "no one knows the day or the hour"..


 no man knows because He is flesh and blood   tell no man , because the man of sin is  old Adam and knows nothing   being the enemy of the Spirit ,  all in Adam die but all in the last Adam "Christ "shall be made alive      Jesus come to deposit   the seed in your heart and the Holy Spirit   rest on you
  Just as it did  on Pentecost
 
 the loosing   AND  the  binding    the things on earth as they are in heaven       , Jesus comes to bind satan   in your earth as it is in heaven , so the will of God can be done on your earth  body as it is in heaven    , when satan come to the sons of God in Job  , the Lord asked where have you been  ,  he was going to and fro  walking up and down on the earth   , every man will  go thought the  Job experience before its all said and done     , think about his  suffering  for a moment   and than look at Revelations  7  bowels and vials and trumpets and   7 Spirits  satan was made for the destruction of your flesh  so in the DAY OF THE LORD your Spirit will be saved ...     Job come out as Spiritual and praising God and KNOWING it was nothing he done  to save himself  , he could NOT do it  , only thing Job has was  his    integrity  which is a God send !
inˈteɡrədē/
noun
1.
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.and being whole and undivided     , remember the house [you]  are at odds within yourself than satan is divided against satan and you will not stand but have an end !!     
  Job remained whole in his suffering    to God  all though    he wished he had never been born !    seeking death and NOT finding it sound familiar in Revelations ?   
 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

 7The LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it." 8The LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil."
 
   The day is Christ , as thousands years is ONE DAY  TO GOD /   Jesus Christ is the Sabbath rest      we see this in the WORD as it applies today the same as thousands of years ago       , Same Day of the Lord  and same reign  in all of them as different examples  , saying the very same things  , comparing scripture with scriptures        , not only that but I believe the  Mercy seat  , Key of David is  the Revelation of Christ /Revelations   to open all the seals of the books
 I know this is a bold statement   , but  am unable to  shut up ..   
 
 Jesus is the Day  Hebrews 13 7  Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith. 8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 9Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.

    the hour is now Father seeks such to worship Him   John 4 ;23
 22"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
 
 Keeping the flesh separate from the Spirit and the  Truth from the  lies is our best defence ,    the WORD AND SPIRIT says it all it speaks as two witnesses   in the heavens as in the earth ..  and it was and is   and will be in all of them who spoke   the truth   ..in my opinion  only
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2014, 05:42:06 PM »
The video also says if they were asked ahead of time when the new month would begin, they would answer "no one knows the day or the hour"..
I think wasn't about a month but the beginning of the new year. (which started at the beginning of the month)

"Only the father knows" was as common reply when a betrothed boy was asked when he would marry. The boy had certain obligations like building a room (mansion) for his bride next to his father's house, furnishing it, etc. His father would regularly inspect the room so see it was ready and up to standard. Only then the boy would get the green light to steal his bride like  a thief in the night.
So
Mat 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

pinpoints the night the Groom arrives at His bride's house. So the verse means the exact opposite what it looks like at first glance.
 
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2014, 05:53:35 PM »
The video also says if they were asked ahead of time when the new month would begin, they would answer "no one knows the day or the hour"..
I think wasn't about a month but the beginning of the new year. (which started at the beginning of the month)

"Only the father knows" was as common reply when a betrothed boy was asked when he would marry. The boy had certain obligations like building a room (mansion) for his bride next to his father's house, furnishing it, etc. His father would regularly inspect the room so see it was ready and up to standard. Only then the boy would get the green light to steal his bride like  a thief in the night.
So
Mat 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

pinpoints the night the Groom arrives at His bride's house. So the verse means the exact opposite what it looks like at first glance.
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  awesome  , made me think of the ten virgins parable    !!      what is the Kingdom of Heaven like    what do we compare it too!!
 
  and Paul stating I am making you chaste virgins for Christ !!       another clue... I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.
 preparing and making  one ready
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2014, 09:27:56 PM »
The video also says if they were asked ahead of time when the new month would begin, they would answer "no one knows the day or the hour"..
I think wasn't about a month but the beginning of the new year. (which started at the beginning of the month)

"Only the father knows" was as common reply when a betrothed boy was asked when he would marry. The boy had certain obligations like building a room (mansion) for his bride next to his father's house, furnishing it, etc. His father would regularly inspect the room so see it was ready and up to standard. Only then the boy would get the green light to steal his bride like  a thief in the night.
So
Mat 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

pinpoints the night the Groom arrives at His bride's house. So the verse means the exact opposite what it looks like at first glance.

Very interesting! Thank-you!

- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process? by the end of judgement age, veRy few to cleansing in LOF?
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- "...aLL things new" Rev21:5 "A new heavens and a new earth" Rev 21:1 - Is 11:7 Micah 4:4 Is 30:25
http://www.bubblews.com/news/9080033 -revelation told in rhyme - 45 days

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2014, 09:32:46 PM »

 Keeping the flesh separate from the Spirit and the  Truth from the  lies is our best defence ,    the WORD AND SPIRIT says it all it speaks as two witnesses

Amen Rose! our daily bread and wine.. :smile:
- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process? by the end of judgement age, veRy few to cleansing in LOF?
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- "...aLL things new" Rev21:5 "A new heavens and a new earth" Rev 21:1 - Is 11:7 Micah 4:4 Is 30:25
http://www.bubblews.com/news/9080033 -revelation told in rhyme - 45 days

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2014, 02:36:45 AM »
Enoch and Elijah

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2014, 03:04:16 AM »
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2014, 06:36:03 PM »
Enoch and Elijah

Okay?
Hi Micah
 
  the two olive trees  and the two sons of oil      Then he said, "These are the two anointed ones who stand by the Lord of the whole earth." And he saith, 'These are the two sons of the oil, who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.' 4:11-14 Zechariah desires to know what are the two olive trees.
 as we do as well   ,      For  me there is no direct   answer , but its shrouded in mystery    ,  at this time  of Zech especially


  I still believe the two witnesses are the Spirit and Truth and they are found in Moses and Elijah  BEING IN THE SPIRIT & fire  /OIL   AND JESUS CHRIST /WORD OF GOD/ TRUTH   , the law and prophets     can appear to to be dead in the street     at times
  and the Thing for me is it takes both the Spirit and the Truth  to   move in any witness   to declare Gods glory in the earth   
  and both certainly can bring judgments  on mankind and  beast and  every  living  thing  at any time ,  The Word judges us by  the Spirit  of truth 
 
  who are these two with   the LORD OF THE EARTH !So he said to me, "This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the Lord Almighty.

7"What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of 'God bless it! God bless it!' "

8Then the word of the Lord came to me: 9"The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this temple; his hands will also complete it. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you.

10"Who dares despise the day of small things, since the seven eyes of the Lord that range throughout the earth will rejoice when they see the chosen Cornerstone  in the hand of Zerubbabel?"

 http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Zerubbabel.html#.VINCTzHF9eU   

11Then I asked the angel, "What are these two olive trees on the right and the left of the lampstand?"

12Again I asked him, "What are these two olive branches beside the two gold pipes that pour out golden oil?"

13He replied, "Do you not know what these are?"

"No, my lord," I said.

14So he said, "These are the two who are anointed to  serve the Lord of all the earth."


  not by strength and not by might but BY MY SPIRIT    says the Lord ! 
 
  When we look at the vision  of   and seen the Transfiguration    of Jesus Christ   in Matt 17     showing for me 
  that    all three stood and talked together  ,as Christ was fulfilling  all the law and prophets     as ONE    BEING  SHINING AS THE SUN in  strength , yet they are with Him always       for me saying   what ?     Now the Cross of Jesus    Christ      If you believe that the blood and water and the Spirit are what poured out of the Lords side   when the spear pierced Him  , the Blood being all that died in the Lord  and its the judgments   poured out in the earth    and   on Baylon  giving Her blood to drink of all the  Law and prophets  and Jesus Christ    being ALL    IN ONE  /with Him always ,   and the judgments begin in the earth   , and the flood of water that takes them all away  not building on the ROCK foundation  Jesus   and the Holy Spirit oil     and the Fire that is describing Jesus   Christ    , He was not just a man hanging on a tree  like many thought   and  this would be the end of it , it was the Beginning of a whole new way     , taking out the old and making everything new   best way to look is seeing Rev 11   in that light to me and than look though the old testament for the fire  and   water and blood   verses
 
  They have the power to shut heaven for us as being Judgment ,    I do believe this is why Jesus said  we would  as sheep go in and out  to pasture  ,  eating the green LIFE   and go right back into judgments   in the earth to LEARN  HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS  ,   , showing mercy and  grace  and not    judgment , because when we judge we are  being judged also      who are the two olive trees [planted of the Lord ]   and lampstands     [2 assemblies  ]  with the LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH ALWAYS ?   I believe they are   our judges !!!!  to the left and Right of the LORD /CENTER  OF ALL THINGS !   
 Remember How Jesus told them    sitting to my left or right is not mine to give but the Father gives this  only ?    Matthew 20:23 ESV
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He said to them, "You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.
jOHN 5 ;45Do you think that I am accusing you before The Father? There is one who accuses you: Moses, the one in whom you hope.
 I do believe this is why Satan  argued over the body of Moses   and the  angel Michael said  the LORD REBUKE YOU SATAN  ,     Because   moses   natural force was not abated (of something perceived as hostile, threatening, or negative) become less intense or widespread.  and the Body of Moses is the assembly of judgments  in the earth , if we judge by that Law   we will also be judged by that   fiery Law ....    and Elijah / being John the Baptist in that same Spirit was set to   clear the path for the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ    , it was with Fire  upon all the false   witness    ,    for me its like this   Moses was said  as so much as a beast touches the mountain it will be stoned     ,   the beast is cast into the fire for burning   ,  and   Elijah was to   destroy the false prophets   casting them in the Fire and  last is satan  whom the Lord Jesus seals up for the time till loosed for the little season before   cast into the fire
 all three  are BOUND   by the fire of Gods judgments   

 and Than it was Jesus  IN THE GLORY    and the     Cloud/ heavenly witness  appeared    and  Spirit said    Listen to Me beloved Son   for me they are in and with the SON
 This is  how I understand it  to   the best of mine ability   I do believe the scriptures must be compared to other scriptures in order to understand  what the Lord is saying   to us By His Holy Spirit  , they must have the answers  in the WORD  to be interpreted   properly     
 it goes so deep and wide I cannot    keep it all in my heart
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2014, 09:08:25 PM »
In Zecchariah the two anointed ones were Joshua and Zerrubabel. While some speculate that the two witnesses will be Elijah and Enoch, which I consider a reasonable conclusion, I also think it quite possible that there will be two entirely different(new) "anointed ones" in that time, which I see as a historical prophecy(future)- I know some folks see the two witnesses as a metaphor for something broader. IMO they will be two men in Jerusalem at the end of the age.
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Re: The two witnesses of Revelation 11
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2014, 08:49:17 PM »
In Zecchariah the two anointed ones were Joshua and Zerrubabel. While some speculate that the two witnesses will be Elijah and Enoch, which I consider a reasonable conclusion, I also think it quite possible that there will be two entirely different(new) "anointed ones" in that time, which I see as a historical prophecy(future)- I know some folks see the two witnesses as a metaphor for something broader. IMO they will be two men in Jerusalem at the end of the age.

I lean toward that interpretation/understanding too.. :smile:
- Is it written? no repentance after death? if resurrected still in ones sins (2nd Resurrection) will be weeping and wailing? Holy Days - Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles prophecy the three peaks of His long 2nd advent? Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process? by the end of judgement age, veRy few to cleansing in LOF?
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- "...aLL things new" Rev21:5 "A new heavens and a new earth" Rev 21:1 - Is 11:7 Micah 4:4 Is 30:25
http://www.bubblews.com/news/9080033 -revelation told in rhyme - 45 days