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Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Reply #100 on: November 26, 2014, 11:19:18 PM »
I think we are to speak the truth of the evangel and expect to be persecuted for it, but it's God's choice how and when we will die.

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Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Reply #101 on: November 26, 2014, 11:21:59 PM »
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I think we are to speak the truth of the evangel and expect to be persecuted for it, but it's God's choice how and when we will die.
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Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Reply #102 on: November 26, 2014, 11:47:20 PM »
Rev. 6:9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Who are these souls, why are they talking, and what do they mean?

What John was seeing was thousands of years in the future from his vantage point on Patmos. He was taken in spirit into the future day of the Lord. He wasn't "in spirit on the Lord's day" as if it were Saturday or Sunday. So the souls under the alter is actually figuratively speaking of those believers who were slain as if they were slain on an altar and their blood ran under the altar. The old testament says "the soul is in the blood."

Just as Abel's blood cried out in a figurative sense (blood doesn't really talk, now does it?) so the blood of those slain were, in a sense, crying out for justice.

"in spirit on the Lord's day" as if it were Saturday or Sunday."  This I believe is the real matter, the Spirit.
Rev 1:10  I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard
Rev 2:7  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith  unto the churches;
Rev 2:17  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
Rev 4:2  And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold
Rev 17:3  So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness
Rev 21:10  And he carried me away in the spirit
Rev 4:1  After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: "   …a door was opened in heaven, …"      I have been on this forum enough to know that most, if not all believe[know] that "heaven" is not a geographical location, just as "hell" is not a geographical place, so what John received was "in the Spirit." I find Tony N to be very close to my given understanding…. my :2c: of understanding thus far.

"What John was seeing was thousands of years in the future from his vantage point on Patmos. He was taken in spirit into the future day of the Lord. He wasn't "in spirit on the Lord's day" as if it were Saturday or Sunday. So the souls under the alter is actually figuratively speaking of those believers who were slain as if they were slain on an altar and their blood ran under the altar. The old testament says "the soul is in the blood." 
Just as Abel's blood cried out in a figurative sense (blood doesn't really talk, now does it?) so the blood of those slain were, in a sense, crying out for justice. (Tony N)
Lev. 17: 11 for the soul of the flesh,  it is in the blood…
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Reply #103 on: Today at 06:11:16 AM »
My question is does the believer who's blood is spilt
have an advantage over a believer who dies peacefully,
when it comes to getting a white robe?

A believer of the Circumcision, who is martyred for Christ will have license to the fruit of the tree/log of life in the New City Jerusalem when it lands on the earth (Rev.22:14).
The Circumcision one not martyred might not be accorded the same privilege.

I have thought what purpose would there be in willing,
 allowing myself to be killed for the cause of Christ.
 
Some early Christians hid in the catacombs.

Others (disciples openly declared Jesus) and where martyred.

I know the Spirit can give us courage to do all things.

Is there some kind of bonus for being Martyred?
 

Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection.
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Re: Souls Under the Altar
« Reply #104 on: Today at 05:40:15 PM »

 John 1124Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day."


 25Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"…
 
 I DO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I DO BELIEVE THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY   IS THOSE  WHOM HAVE RISEN IN CHRIST   THE LIGHT  OF THE WORLD   AND ARE WITH HIM NOW !!  the firstfruits of those whom slept / rest in Hope / Jesus Christ is our only HOPE!! 
 1 PETER 1
 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

 4to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,


Micah 7
  7But as for me, I will watch expectantly for the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation.


My God will hear me. 8Do not rejoice over me, O my enemy. Though I fall I will rise; Though I dwell in darkness, the LORD is a light for me.


 9I will bear the indignation of the LORD Because I have sinned against Him,


Until He pleads my case and executes justice for me. He will bring me out to the light, And I will see His righteousness
Jesus is the reward  !!