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144,000?
« on: June 20, 2009, 09:37:43 AM »
Who do you believe this number of people is? Is this a literal number, or is it saying something totally different. Can someone enlighten me. I have my thoughts on it, but I want to hear what others know. I am not near as intelligent in many matters concerning scripture, though I am coming along.

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2009, 09:46:05 AM »
Maybe you find (part of) your answer http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=5994.0
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2009, 09:48:14 AM »
Thanks, I will check it out.

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2009, 09:49:05 AM »
WhiteWings,

The link is saying it is off limits to me or missing..

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 09:53:28 AM »
100% sure the thread is there.
There have been configuration errors/bugs before on the forum.
I leave this one for the crew to answer.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 09:55:26 AM »
Ok, no prob. I will try it again.

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 09:58:50 AM »
Oh --I think it's off limits to you because it is in the members section.

You must need more posts!  Then you will be able to access it. :icon_king:

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 10:01:56 AM »
Thought of that too Molly. But how many 50?
SF you are only a few replies away from 50. Shoulda be an easy task...
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 10:05:15 AM »
lol! Oh ok, well I better do what I do best and TALK......lol! Thanks.....

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 10:23:33 AM »
Martin,

This kinda question pops up quite regurlary.
Perhaps a little more info?


So instead of:
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Discuss absolutely anything here.


Quote
Member's Lounge
Discuss absolutely anything here. (50 posts required)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 10:26:44 AM »
(Ok, I think that will be about 50 posts now.. :banana:.on to some good reading :Book: :Book:)

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2009, 10:31:48 AM »
WhiteWings 1:1  Spam thouself approved, a newbie should not be ashamed. :winkgrin:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 10:44:02 AM »
WhiteWings 1:1  Spam thouself approved, a newbie should not be ashamed. :winkgrin:

LOL! I love that. :laugh:..too cute....and I am soooo not ashamed...... :happy3:

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2009, 10:45:05 AM »
WW,

What do you think about my other thread regarding the judgment?

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 10:54:11 AM »
Martin,

This kinda question pops up quite regurlary.
Perhaps a little more info?


So instead of:
Quote
Member's Lounge
Discuss absolutely anything here.


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Discuss absolutely anything here. (50 posts required)

Martin and I have chatted about that.  The 50 posts is right, but really, we can't discuss absolutely anything there.  Maybe also it could be "absolutely anything within forum guidelines...50 posts required".   :dontknow:

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2009, 10:56:20 AM »
Link plz...

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Link plz SpokenFor.....
« Last Edit: June 20, 2009, 10:59:43 AM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2009, 10:59:08 AM »
Man, are there a bunch of different ideas on the OP!  I personally am not sure (and I'm not sure if anyone else is either...maybe they think they are  :laughing7:).  The JW's think it's an actual # of JW's, some think it's a certain group of Jews, some don't think it's necessarily a literal EXACT # (including J. Preston Eby who I like a lot) and some think it's totally some sort of "spiritual" message.  

I think I'm not that smart  :prankster:.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2009, 11:06:46 AM by jabcat »

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2009, 11:10:33 AM »
I'm just saying that along with your suggestion, IMO, it should also clarify that not really absolutely anthing can be discussed...I just don't think that's real accurate, and is a holdover from before Martin took over.  I bet I could start 50 topics on there tonight that wouldn't make it past tomorrow  :mshock:.

Often "Chat about what doesn't fit in other sections" is used.
Adding things like within forum guidelines. No spam. No hate. No arms deals. Etc is kinda useless IMO.
People who don't understand that, don't understand it on purpose.

Personally I wonder why there are those restrictions (on the forums largest section)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2009, 11:21:44 AM »
Don't you think it gives mods something concrete to act on?  That being said, there is a statement somewhere about "the forum will be moderated at moderator's discretion", or something like that...I take that to mean basically whatever Martin and the Mods (good band name  :drummer:) decide doesn't fit Gary's vision can be axed. 

It's probably no big deal, but IMO, just saying "discuss absolutely anything" is contradictory and opens the door to what really can't occur.  (It was a holdover from before Martin took over.)  Just my  :2c:

So 144,000 who/what everybody?  I also looked back at your thread on this WW.  Doesn't look like we've decided yet.   :mblush:

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2009, 11:22:56 AM »
P.S., yeah the "chat about what doesn't fit in other sections" makes good sense to me  :thumbsup:.  I think on Martin's list of things to be worried about though, this one ain't exactly keeping him up nights  :bigGrin:.

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2009, 11:35:26 AM »
Don't you think it gives mods something concrete to act on?
All who regged had to press "I've read and agree" button.
Surely most didn't even read it but that doesn't matter for the modding.

Besides of that only ETs are here to mess up things.
And they are the ones that know best that "Discuss all things" actually means discuss a few things :laughing7:

My point is this.
This forum has an easy going attitude. Mentioning rules in about every place makes it feel like a prison.
I think the easy going attitude is more important to preserve than pointing out guidelines.
Maybe my my opinion on this would be different if this forum was a war zone. But it isn't.
 :2c:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2009, 11:43:21 AM »
No prisons here..."who the Son sets free is free indeed"  :angel4: (what an ugly angel).

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2009, 02:21:10 AM »
Amen, free indeed :bgdance: :bgdance:

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2009, 06:58:54 PM »


  these are the doves...of which it is said...who are these that

fly[Isaih 60;8] along like clouds,like doves to their nest.


   They are the wave breast offering portrayed in the 

  Aaronic preisthood[which is a copy of the spiritual heavenly

reality].The Glory of Zion speaks of the Light of the Lord on

 them. They are sealed with His seal and SOS bespeaks this as

my dove..my perfect one..being unique...the only daughter of

 her Mother[Jerusalem above]  No lie was found in their mouths.

   Their spiritual words were not defiled with women[of earthly

 understandings per se..but virginal from above] You must be

 born again of a virgin..born from above in pure truth and not be

 a partaker of the adulterous spiritual fornication with Babylyon

 and the kings of the earth. NO LIE WAS FOUND IN THEIR

 MOUTHS.

   The virgins of heaven must 'bear' us...they are the ROYAL

 BREASTS SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING THAT WE ARE TO BE NURSED

 AT. Also for this reason John the Baptist saw the Holy spirit in

 bodily form as a dove descend upon and remain on Jesus.

   The NEW SONG is the wedding supper of the Lord...when

  these doves speak truth  the following consequences is

 Babylons fall,[with all her adulterous spiritual lies]


   Their sealing results in the truth of a great multitude in White

   robes.ALL Following this work of the spirit the seventh seal is

 opened. There is silence in heaven for about a half an hour.

   Psalms 56 a superlative of the silent dove.....

  .... all day long they twist my WORDS.....the Hour of

    Judgement approaches.....the trumpet blasts signify the

   TRUE JUDGEMENTS OF GOD[ and we know that it results in

 the people learning righteousness[all saved] which bespeaks of

 God's full harvest[all mankind]

   The end of God's wrath approaches....as He pours it out

 and shows His judgements of the spiritual ugliness of those

 who have the understanding of a beast[under Babylon's

 influence] Those who, with lies turned what should have been

 water of life to blood/death to those who belived in Him

   The SUN"S LIGHT[Jesus/TRUTH/GRACE] Scorches people with

 fire[flaming sword out of His mouth[Rev 2;16] Repent or I will

 come and war with you with the sword of my mouth.

   The throne of the beast[carnal understanding] is thrown into

 darkness[get away from me you workers of iniquity,I don't

know you!

    Three kings,three unclean expressions[lies about God and

   evil not Holy spirit,speak lies to  gather kings of whole world

 to fight against truth.

   Last bowl poured out upon power of prince of the air

[prince /kings of this world, kings that fornicate with Babylon]


   this working of His plagues on Babylon results in her fall..

  she loses her position of spiritual authority over the beleivers

 and the beleiver is delivered from her grasp...the Lamb

overcomes...He is the LORD OF LORDS and KING of Kings

   The invitaion is extended...all mankind is saved and is invited

 to sup on truth..the truth that is not adulterated with spiritual

 lies and whoredoms.

   They will each partake in their own order, as God calls them.

   Jesus rides on in victory conquering all enemies...the armies

 of heaven are with Him[they are His wavebreast portion...

 the women proclaiming the Goodnews are a great army


   How will we overcome this world? BY TRUTH.....the BLOOD OF

 THE LAMB IS TRUTH[these words I speak to you are spirit and

 truth]

   Lies will come up..even after the abyssing[shutting of the

mouth of the liar with truth of all mankind saved]Satan released

 to  gather opposition to the truth spoken.


   Rev 21;17  He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits thick

  that Holy city come down from heaven is a sanctuary of TRUTH

 EVEN THE WALLS OF SALVATION OF TRUTH IN WHICH WE LIVE

 AND DWELL WITH GOD AND CHRIST.

  Outside are the lies and those who practise them

   Ths Spirit and the Bride say COME! Whoever is thirsty,

  let him come,and whoever wishes,let him take the free gift of

the water of life[truth of all mankinds salvation and God's love

for them]

   Come BUY WITHOUT MONEY...why pay for bread that is not

 bread?.....no-one could buy or sell without  the mark of the

beast....go to those who sell[oil] and buy it.


   The true bread from heaven is free...a gift of grace....

   carnal beastly understanding and lies say you must buy

through your own works and wages..but that is not bread/or

truth.

   BUY TRUTH..AND SELL IT NOT

   BELEIVE IT..AND DON"T EXCHANGE IT FOR A LIE

   

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Re: 144,000?
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2009, 08:29:46 PM »
 :cloud9: MAGNIFICENT........Blessings.....
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