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Offline Searching_For_The_Truth

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Joel Chapter 2: 28-32 used to justify Hell visions
« on: December 12, 2014, 01:57:09 AM »
Hello all, I was wondering how to respond to ET'ers who use the following verses of Joel 2 in order to justify Hell visions. Please advise. Thanks and God Bless.

Joel 2:28-32
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

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Re: Joel Chapter 2: 28-32 used to justify Hell visions
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 05:19:06 AM »
Simply speak biblical truth, the Bible no where speaks of a "hell of eternal torment." Besides, just where in the verses you produce shows any evidence of "hell visions?"
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Joel Chapter 2: 28-32 used to justify Hell visions
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 03:24:58 PM »


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And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

 
 This must be what you are speaking of Searching for truth ?
 
 Joel 2   is the Prophecy   that Jesus Christ fulfills     by the Spirit of prophecy     being the SPIRIT of TRUTH
 
 Its the  coming of the Lord  Jesus Christ and    we know He did come      to Judge the world in righteousness
  and many of the   prophecies of Joel 2  have been fulfilled
  such as the Day of Pentecost  in Acts 1   when the promise of the Holy Spirit would be poured out on all flesh 
 
  For all of us its how we "perceive "        become aware or conscious of the Word of God  come to realize or understand  the scriptures .

   And interpret or look on the Word of God     in a particular way or  regard as  truth . 
 Some   still  with fear and carnal understanding
 
  and Some by the Very Spirit of truth    that  God increases     with the Knowledge of Him       though Jesus Christ   
 
 We ask   for His truth and  wisdom  in  life  and less and less of our own    truth and  understanding and wisdom
 
 He must increase and the Light must shine    within us
 
 
 I do not believe   we can  convince anyone   but we are to persuade them  in the right direction    with prayers that God will help them   , just as he did you to understand what the Spirit is saying   as Truth
 
 
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: Joel Chapter 2: 28-32 used to justify Hell visions
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2014, 02:31:07 AM »
Hello all, I was wondering how to respond to ET'ers who use the following verses of Joel 2 in order to justify Hell visions. Please advise. Thanks and God Bless.

Joel 2:28-32
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

I think what we've been taught to believe contributes to what we see in visions and dreams, and that's why some folks see what they believe is "hell." The truth though is that what is thought to be "hell" is just a common misconception propagated by the doctrine of orthodoxy supported by forgery in the translation of scripture. The word "hell" is simply an Old English word used in the Douay-Rheims Catholic Version and the King James Version to translate the Greek "hades," literally "unperceived" or "unseen," describing the unseen state of dead souls. Unfortunately "hell" is also used to intentionally mistranslate "Gehenna" twelve times thereby causing "hell" to be thought of as torture in fire of so called immortal souls, but "Gehenna" is actually the old city dump of Jerusalem where corpses of executed criminals were burned and will be again in the next eon. Visions and dreams can contain things that aren't real even though they seem to be. See related verses Matthew 24:29; Mark 13:24-26; Luke 21:25-27; Revelation 6:12-17; Isaiah 13:10; Joel 3:15; Amos 5:20.