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John 20:23
« on: March 13, 2015, 05:58:35 PM »
Not sure it has any UR significance but just wondering how y'all might handle John 20:23, "whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."

I know that in the mystic tradition it's taken literally.  The Catholic tradition gives that authority to priests only.  Charismatic tradition says, we can only relate what the Holy Spirit says.  I think Evangelicals try to ignore it saying, one obscure verse can't be used to dismiss many others. 

Personally I like the mystic best but what does UR say?

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2015, 07:55:04 PM »
I think, taken in context, that was Christ speaking to his disciples in Israel, and I don't think everything Christ said to them and the powers given to them apply to those of us of the nations today. Regarding the "mystic tradition," I think all believers experience a sense of mysticism. I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church, but I left it when I was young. I think its priests forgiving you, when you confess your sins to them, and telling you to pray to Mary for penance is false doctrine. But I think we can forgive our fellow human beings when they sin against us because it is the holy spirit of God within us that causes us to do so. Christ died for the sins of the whole world, and God is now conciliated to mankind. We just need to be conciliated to God. When that happens there is reconciliation. At the consummation of the eons, all on earth and in the heavens will be reconciled to God through Christ's blood on the cross. That's universal reconciliation.
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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2015, 10:17:46 PM »
Ah!  That reminds me of what Dr Atteshlis (Mystic of Cyprus) said, that when we sin it's against the whole of humanity.  So, as a representative of the offended (humanity), we're forgiving the offender (and ourselves in a sense) when we forgive one another.  Basically, our guilt holds us back in our own mind and receiving forgiveness releases us.

We are forgiven by God already but we are human and as such need forgiveness from our own to be reconciled on earth as well. 

As with many passages of scripture, the true meaning can be difficult to grasp.

But that's, more or less, the mystic view.

Another related verse may be Mark 2:9, "Which is easier: to say to this paralyzed man, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat and walk'?"

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2015, 07:09:39 PM »
the opposite of retain is remit, or forgive.

Remission of sin is received through several means. Simple confession and repentence before God is the most common way. Baptism in water is another way- dealing with the past sins of a new believer. Being released by the laying on of hands of an elder is also a means of remission.

I personally think personal remission can be different from the unilateral forgiveness God has granted all. Sometimes release has been granted, but the prisoner needs a key to open the cell.

So James says,

14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. 16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

So there is a connection between sickness and sin and healing and forgiveness, or remission of sin. In your example, Mark 2:9, as Jesus said, Judge for yourselves whther it is easier for me to say, "Your sins are forgiven you, or "Rise up and walk

He was showing that healing flows through the forgiveness of sin.

I think John 20:23 is similar to Mark 16:19 19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

As in another example Jesus gives, "If he refuses to believe you, take him before the church and let him be as an unbeliever"

or Paul saying, "I have determined, in the presence of God and His holy angels, to deliver such a one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh...."

IMO, All these kinds of verses relate back to Jesus words in John 20:23.

As we mature in the Spirit of Christ("be careful how you hear, to him who has more shall be given, to him who has not even that which he has shall be taken away") various keys to the kingdom begin to function in our lives as "repairers of the breach"- only because a mature disciple can be trusted to use any gift  of the spirit or spiritual key to heal that same separation of connection we are talking about. :o)

So I see it as you do....... we are all connected. Sin separates, forgiveness unites. All sin is ultimately a statement that I am not a part of you, so I am not accountable to you. Sin creates this separation and it is a wound in the whole of mankind.

This separation is what Jesus came to heal, by showing that He was connected to all. Now that healing is spreading to all, one cell at a time, until all are forgiven, until all are healed, until all are one and universally connected.

20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me."


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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2015, 08:09:22 AM »
I boldly proclaim that sins are forgiven by Christ on the cross. Already... not conditionally.
I have full confidence that Christ died for all, and first loved us while still sinners and enemies.
(Most evangelicals believe that you have to cease being an enemy before Christ dies for you.)
I then teach that as the prostitute, he first loves us, and made us into the virgin bride.
It is a virgin marriage because our fruitfulness is the fruit of the spirit, and we multiply by making disciples.
I command people to become the bride and return his love, and disciple them to do so.

In the Hebrew hermeneutic: Rebeckah, was a virgin chosen by the Father for his son, but the word-play says the servant took/married her, and when she saw Isaac, she covered herself, suggesting she was uncovered with the servant. The hermeneutic does not suggest she was literally sinning,  but it hints at the prostitute-virgin motif.

Leah played the prostitute, and Rachel represents the virgin.,
Gomer was a prostitute but hints at a virgin birth by naming her son 'God sows'.
Mary had the hint of the prostitute, being pregnant, but was a virgin.
Tamar played the prostitute, it was declared "there is no prostitute here" and she was called more honorable than Judah.
You will find many more that build the motif.

The message of the gospel is that Christ died for sinners. You are invited to the marriage feast as the bride. 

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 06:51:59 AM »
Eaglesway, I like very much what you said there.

"So I see it as you do....... we are all connected. Sin separates, forgiveness unites. All sin is ultimately a statement that I am not a part of you, so I am not accountable to you. Sin creates this separation and it is a wound in the whole of mankind.

This separation is what Jesus came to heal, by showing that He was connected to all. Now that healing is spreading to all, one cell at a time, until all are forgiven, until all are healed, until all are one and universally connected.

20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.""

Very similar to what I know of the mystic tradition.  I'm beginning to see the similarities, in this area at least.

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2015, 10:59:27 PM »
Yes, it is, for me one of the most beautiful aspects of the mystic revelation of Jesus Christ.

It is also the first thing that ever brought me understanding of the conviction of sin. I did not really, even as a Christian, understand sin apart from the law(arbitrary, right and wrong) until I got this gift of understanding from the Lord that we are all connected, and that when we hurt one another we are hurting ouselves, and the distance we create between one another is the distance we create between ourselves and God, because He is the essence that flows though us all and makes us one.

This is why the two great commandments incorporate all of the practical revelation of God. There is no need for any other command for anyone who truly understands those two commands in the light of the revelation of the love of God.

"A new command I give you, love one another."

This is why forgiveness, tolerance, kindness, forbearance, patience, humility, gentleness, meekness- are all so important. They allow love to grow and thrive. Love is the connection between all, the river of life, the river of love.

"For in Him we live and move and have our being"

John hears, in the river of God, a noise like "10,000's  of 10,000's praising God". He hears this same sound in the wings of the seraphim, and when he hears the voice of God, it is also like 10,000's of 10,000's praising God.

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2015, 03:06:49 AM »
We are the Body of Christ. When one part of the body suffers, so the entire body suffers.

4For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, 5so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; Romans 12:4 -6
7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2015, 07:35:37 AM »
Not sure it has any UR significance but just wondering how y'all might handle John 20:23, "whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."


I don't know UR yet but:

This is a hard teaching... no even impossible without Christ:

1. The primary message of the Bible and the Book of Life is that God alone is God. He is holy.
2. All sin is against God
3. If we take offesne at sin we make ourselves equal with God.
4. Love is absorbing sin
5. Forgiveness is repentence for not having loved.
6. When we do not forgive, we have not acknowledged God as God.
7. The sin which is retained when we do not forgive is our own.

1. The primary message of the Bible and the Book of Life is that God alone is God. He is holy.
The essence of original sin is that Eve chose to act instinctively, putting her flesh above the word of God.
The result was more object lessons to say that God is separate/holy.

2. All sin is against God.
When David had stolen a man's wife and had him killed, he then repented saying: Against you alone have I sinned oh Lord. He sinned against God because the wife and the man belonged to God. When people sin against us they sin against God because we belong to God. That sets us free from taking offense.

3. If we take offesne at sin we make ourselves equal with God. He is the offended one, not us.

4. Love is absorbing sin.
Love is the choice we make to not take offense and do whatever possible to not let someone sin against us. If we are slapped we interpret it as an accident. If our stereo is stolen, we give them the TV so that they cannot sin against us. And if we are compelled to bake a cake, we bake two.  Sorry, so easily I am distracted and get to preaching  ;)

5. Forgiveness is repentence for not having loved.
When we realized we have sinned by making ourself equal to God by taking offense, we quickly repent by forgiving. Forgiving has nothing to do with the other person. It is me confessing to God that I have stolen his perogative. And I do what I am able so that the other has no sense of having sinned against me.

6. When we do not forgive, we have not acknowledged God as God.
When we haven't forgiven, we are still playing God, and are still in original sin.

7. The sin which is retained when we do not forgive is our own.
Jesus taught us to pray, Lord forgive me as I have forgiven them. Our sin is retained if we do not acknowlege God as God.

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2015, 09:40:28 PM »
Not sure it has any UR significance but just wondering how y'all might handle John 20:23, "whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."


I don't know UR yet but:

This is a hard teaching... no even impossible without Christ:

1. The primary message of the Bible and the Book of Life is that God alone is God. He is holy.
2. All sin is against God
3. If we take offesne at sin we make ourselves equal with God.
4. Love is absorbing sin
5. Forgiveness is repentence for not having loved.
6. When we do not forgive, we have not acknowledged God as God.
7. The sin which is retained when we do not forgive is our own.

1. The primary message of the Bible and the Book of Life is that God alone is God. He is holy.
The essence of original sin is that Eve chose to act instinctively, putting her flesh above the word of God.
The result was more object lessons to say that God is separate/holy.

2. All sin is against God.
When David had stolen a man's wife and had him killed, he then repented saying: Against you alone have I sinned oh Lord. He sinned against God because the wife and the man belonged to God. When people sin against us they sin against God because we belong to God. That sets us free from taking offense.

3. If we take offesne at sin we make ourselves equal with God. He is the offended one, not us.

4. Love is absorbing sin.
Love is the choice we make to not take offense and do whatever possible to not let someone sin against us. If we are slapped we interpret it as an accident. If our stereo is stolen, we give them the TV so that they cannot sin against us. And if we are compelled to bake a cake, we bake two.  Sorry, so easily I am distracted and get to preaching  ;)

5. Forgiveness is repentence for not having loved.
When we realized we have sinned by making ourself equal to God by taking offense, we quickly repent by forgiving. Forgiving has nothing to do with the other person. It is me confessing to God that I have stolen his perogative. And I do what I am able so that the other has no sense of having sinned against me.

6. When we do not forgive, we have not acknowledged God as God.
When we haven't forgiven, we are still playing God, and are still in original sin.

7. The sin which is retained when we do not forgive is our own.
Jesus taught us to pray, Lord forgive me as I have forgiven them. Our sin is retained if we do not acknowlege God as God.

 I like what you shared    P  very much so ,     
 and How you went on the explain  why    .... 
 
 I can certainly see how you have come to this conclusion ...
 
  and    I know this   much , when Jesus saw what  they were made of   he said ,"When Jesus saw their faith, He said 'Friend, your sins are forgiven.
 
 Without faith it is impossible to please Him  and to seek Him while he  can be found ...   Isaiah 55  6Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.

 7Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
 
  6And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.


 
I think many fail to know their time of visitation  :sigh:....      Once realizing this,,,, I begged Him never leave me  , for I am weak and   miserable ,poor, blind and naked without Him  and fail all the tests  . :HeartThrob:
 
 
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2015, 05:36:02 AM »
Jesus said, What is the difference if I say rise u and walk or your sins are forgiven you? But so you know the son of man has been given the authority on earth to forgive sin...... take up your bed and walk.(close I think from memory)

James said, "Are their any sick among you? Let them call upon the elders of the church, and the prayer of faith will save the sick and if they have any sins they shall be forgiven."(sins remitted)

He also spoke of those who would not repent after being taken before the whole congregation for correction, and said, "If they repent, you have won your brother, if not, Let them be as a heathen unto you".(sins retained)

Jesus gave the apostles the keys to the kingdom of God. He had received "all authority on heaven and earth" and He was passing that authority on to them for use among the ecclesia.

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2015, 02:02:15 PM »
 

 I do love what you shared  JOHN  and can sure see this as well     :thumbsup:     

For me,  I can also see     this way back in the old testament  being a pattern   ,  as   the salt covenant  God made  with  David  as everlasting   still to this day   under    the HOLY NAME    being   through Jesus Christ .   
 
 As the chastening ,  being  correction though  the  rods of men and  stripes of men , Paul also mentions this when He speaks of His stripes  being   39 lashes of men     for Christ sake       as well as should we come with rods /correction or  with Love   to one church 2 Corinthians 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.

 There is no name  under heaven by which you must be saved ....  the royal priesthood 1 Peter 2   being  the  meat offering as Gods will eat my body and drink my blood that you may have life in you 8and, "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed. 9But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.
 
 
 
  Jesus even mentions this   every sacrifice [meat  offering being what Jesus said," I have meat you know not of "" it is to do His will ] A PRIEST    salt  being humility ,   seasoned  with fire  ,
  But strong meat belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
 
Ezekiel 43:24
You are to offer them before the LORD, and the priests are to sprinkle salt on them and sacrifice them as a burnt offering to the LORD.

Matthew 5:13
"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

Mark 9:48
where "'the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.'  Everyone is salted with Fire
"Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt among yourselves, and be at peace with each other."

For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.



(2 Chronicles 13:5) "Ought ye not to know that the LORD God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?"

 "covenant of salt" is mentioned three times in the Scriptures of Old .

(Numbers 18:19) "All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute for ever: it is a covenant of salt for ever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee."

 (Leviticus 2:13) "And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt."
 
By His stripes healed   being given by the   rods of men and stripes of men  being the  Suffering Servant   of ALL ..and Greatest of the Kingdom of  GOD

  Isaiah 53
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried;

 Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted.

 5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,

 He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening   stripes  for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.


6All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.




  Rods of men are the chastening of   the salt covenant  for always   ,    though your suffering   for them , they become  healed ....

Jesus  shows this openly  on the CROSS   and we are also take up our cross   and follow His example   to become the servant of all   mankind   also and   be an intercessor[praying ]   on their behalf before GOD  as being in the BODY OF CHRIST     [HE IS THE HEAD ]authority    as priestly  role   also   Paul shows this high calling by    becoming all things to all men  that by which he might save some   in the  here and now     as    the SPIRIT of  LOVE bridges the gap     
LOVE being the sacrifice     

and  building the tabernacle of God is   HIM dwelling among us      building a holy city and   mountain  /Kingdom    as Christ Body  enlarges by the increase   of God

calling the mortal bodies tents   ,    but the SPIRITUAL BODY HIS DWELLING PLACE   


Here in 2 Samuel 7     God told Nathan   meaning "Gift from God"      to the" Beloved" =   David   

 4 But that same night the word of the Lord came to Nathan,

 5 "Go and tell my servant David, 'Thus says the Lord: Would you build me a house to dwell in?


 6 I have not lived in a house since the day I brought up the people of Israel from Egypt to this day, but I have been moving about in a tent for my dwelling.


7 In all places where I have moved with all the people of Israel, did I speak a word with any of the judges of Israel,

 whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, saying, "Why have you not built me a house of cedar?"'


8 Now, therefore, thus you shall say to my servant David,

 'Thus says the Lord of hosts, I took you from the pasture, from following the sheep, that you should be prince over my people Israel.


9 And I have been with you wherever you went and have cut off all your enemies from before you.

 And I will make for you a great name, like the name of the great ones of the earth.



10 And I will appoint a place for my people Israel and will plant them, so that they may dwell in their own place and be disturbed no more.



And violent men shall afflict them no more, as formerly,

11 from the time that I appointed judges over my people Israel.

 And I will give you rest from all your enemies.


Moreover, the Lord declares to you that the Lord will make you a house. NAME BEING   THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ...


12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom.

 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.


14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son.

 When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men,


15 but my steadfast love will not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you.


16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me.Your throne shall be established forever.'"


17 In accordance with all these words, and in accordance with all this vision, Nathan spoke to David.
 
 
And   this is what I am seeing in this , because JESUS never sinned or committed iniquity , but we do  , and it  this the scriptures  goes  with  it


   when one member of the body suffers we all suffer   , it is the same as  doing it to the Lord    , those stripes    heal us   


   25so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.


26And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it. 27Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.

Matthew 3:15
Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Then John consented.

Matthew 5:29
If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into Gehenna ....

 the fire of affliction Isaiah 48 ;10   9"For the sake of My name I delay My wrath, And for My praise I restrain it for you, In order not to cut you off. 10"Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. 11"For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act; For how can My name be profaned? And My glory I will not give to another.

1 Corinthians 12:25
so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.

1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it.

Romans 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.


2 Corinthians 11:28,29 Beside those things that are without, that which comes on me daily,


Galatians 6:2 Bear you one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.


Hebrews 13:3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which

The binding and loosing  on earth as it is in heaven  ,    to hold as a  servant  and  to    let free as sons of God  ...

1 Peter 3:8 Finally, be you all of one mind, having compassion one of another,     the mind is Christ and in obedience to the will of God     and learned obedience though the things he suffered in the days of His flesh      HEBREWS 5 The Perfect High Priestand those chosen   to be in His body  as perfect complete


7In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. 8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. 9And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,     
we also learn obedience    though the things we suffer  in the days of our own flesh    unless we be reprobates   and not sons   

    4For indeed He was crucified because of weakness,

yet He lives because of the power of God.

 For we also are weak in Him, yet we will live with Him because of the power of God directed toward you.

 5Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you-- unless indeed you fail the test? 6But I trust that you will realize that we ourselves do not fail the test.
 
  His flesh is the vail  that was torn from top to bottom     in the day he ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND OPENED HEAVEN FOR ALL   to enter    that  would be healed and willing    to come to Him   that He might be found in you ..   
 
 I am always amazed     at  the Lord Jesus Christ   and how merciful   He proves  to be   always .     
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2015, 05:18:00 PM »

i think if, or when, we don't forgive someone, it affects them. In personal matters i think it does affect us more, but I believe we are all connected, and it affects also the one we are not forgiving..
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Jesus said "If I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to me" ~ Ps 22:27 says "All the ends of the earth.. will turn to the LORD, every knee shall bow, all tongues confess `Jesus is Lord`" ~ If there's 1000yrs between Trumpets (beginning of the long 2nd advent of Jesus) and DOA/2nd resurrection, then there's 500yrs between DOA and Tabernacles/"God will now tabernacle w/ man"Rev21. For those 500 yrs the HS will convince the world of sin, at the concLusion of, all those (still) not believing will go to "age-lasting"LOF ~ Spring Holy Days fulfilled by 1st advent. (Surely?)Fall ones by 2nd.

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Re: John 20:23
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2015, 06:20:35 PM »
You need to forgive those who sin against you. You have to let God's love flow through you to all because we are all victims of this temporary condition called evil which makes us sin against each other. So we need to forgive each other and love each other.