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Can I get some help with Psalm 95:7 - 11?
« on: July 13, 2015, 04:46:50 AM »
I came across this while reading my Bible today.

Psalm 95:7 - 11  Young's Literal Translation

To-day, if to His voice ye hearken,
8 Harden not your heart as [in] Meribah, As [in] the day of Massah in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers have tried Me, Have proved Me, yea, have seen My work.
10 Forty years I am weary of the generation, And I say, `A people erring in heart -- they! And they have not known My ways:'
11 Where I sware in Mine anger, `If they come in unto My rest -- !'

Psalm 95:7 - 11 NIV

Today, if only you would hear his voice,
8 "Do not harden your hearts as you did at Meribah,[a]
    as you did that day at Massah in the wilderness,
9 where your ancestors tested me;
    they tried me, though they had seen what I did.
10 For forty years I was angry with that generation;
    I said, 'They are a people whose hearts go astray,
    and they have not known my ways.'
11 So I declared on oath in my anger,
    'They shall never enter my rest.'"

Having a hard time reconciling this with UR. Can anyone help me out?    :declare:

I realize it says nothing about hell or damnation, but, it seems to indicate that those being spoken about will not ever be at peace with the Lord.

Young's Literal's last line sounds very different than NIV's, but I can't get a grip on it.

As I am very new at Christian UR, I look at my Bible reading differently these days........a renewing of my mind, you might say.

Thank you in advance. 


7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

Matthew 7:7 -8

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Re: Can I get some help with Psalm 95:7 - 11?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2015, 05:23:05 AM »
just as all men have bore the image of the corrupt one,so,too,shall all men bear the image of the incorrupt one.

   ....first the natural,then the spiritual man. the 'wicked' generation perishes in the wilderness...flesh and blood can not inherit.

..the inheritance is through Christ..the spiritual man.

..........Pharoah pictured the prince of this world..Egypt pictured this world...Israel in slavery pictured man's captivity and slavery

  to sin. The promised land of Caanan pictured our eternal inheritance.........the old man of sin[in corrupt image] must die in all

 men...and man made a new creature[spiritual image of Christ]

    those of us called near to Him in this life..are even admonished to put the deeds of the flesh to death..so that we may live

 spiritually now[through token of Holy spirit]

.........

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Re: Can I get some help with Psalm 95:7 - 11?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2015, 07:33:59 AM »
I understand the analogy, sheila. And, I agree with the symbolism, too. But, that in itself still doesn't give me peace about the last line.

If it had said punishment, death or fire, then, I would be fine, as I know there are other interpretations of these, than what we associate with Hell. Even Hell or Gehenna, would be easier for me to work with, as I understand the original meaning, versus the meanings we have come to know.

The NIV version of "They shall never enter my rest."is unsettling, but the Young's translation gives me encouragement, but I don't really understand what it is trying to say, exactly. It seems to me, it is saying something like: I don't want them to think that I will allow them to disturb my peace, with their wayward ways. Now, an interpretation along those lines would be fine. But, I have a Concordia NIV concordance, so, this verse would be interpreted in terms of ED/ET.

It never ceases to amaze, how a word, or its position, or some punctuation, will change the whole meaning of a sentence or segment.

I think finding a clear explanation of Young's interpretation, could be very helpful to me.
7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

Matthew 7:7 -8

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Re: Can I get some help with Psalm 95:7 - 11?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2015, 01:53:02 PM »
Shalom Dandelion,

Comparing the scripture you quoted with where the quote is also found in Numbers, as well as Hebrews, the Hebrew word אמ does not mean 'never', but, in this instance, an emphatic 'not'. To my understanding, this simply has to do with not entering Canaan and participating in the rest he had for them there, as happened with those who did enter the land:

Yahweh gave them rest all around, according to all that he swore to their fathers. Not a man of all their enemies stood before them. Yahweh delivered all their enemies into their hand.
(Jos 21:44)

Adding the nuance 'never' is an interpretation not necessary for understanding the text. It reads quite nicely from an Hebraic point of view as 'if' (used in the sense of certainty).

Nothing is said about them not entering into the true rest of God that was foreshadowed by the physical land of Canaan, which Sheila nicely wrote about. To me when I read my Hebrew text it is simply saying that they would certainly not enter the rest he just got through speaking about, the physical land of Canaan, due to their unbelief that they could take it.

Hope that helps,

Ronen

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Re: Can I get some help with Psalm 95:7 - 11?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2015, 03:35:10 PM »
Yes, it does, Ronen.

Thank you so much!   :Peace2:
7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

Matthew 7:7 -8

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Re: Can I get some help with Psalm 95:7 - 11?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2015, 01:59:46 AM »
"10 For forty years I was angry with that generation;
    I said, 'They are a people whose hearts go astray,
    and they have not known my ways.'"
With that attitude and mind set, certainly there is no rest........but Lord of Lords and King of Kings, the Creator...changes things, molds, and breaks.

Psa 90:3  Thou turnest man unto a bruised thing, And sayest, Turn back, ye sons of men.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Can I get some help with Psalm 95:7 - 11?
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2015, 06:37:53 AM »
Thank you, everyone!

Step by step........

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7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

Matthew 7:7 -8