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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2014, 09:10:32 PM »
Hi All,

I believe the whole human race is literally children of God but Isn't becoming a child of God a spiritual experience like John said "ye must be born again". Wasn't he referring to becoming spiritual reborn? Isn't this what makes us spiritual children of God? "In Christ so to speak". If we are not in Christ and haven't been spiritually reborn then aren't we referred to as being the children of Satan?

Just some thoughts I had while reading everyone's posts.

CHB

Yes, some are children of Satan, in the here and now, and we know that.  However, God has told us of a time when all will be His children, and He will be All in all.  Therefore, our confidence in that knowledge gives us to see all as God's children.  :friendstu:
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2014, 11:40:57 PM »
Hi All,

I believe the whole human race is literally children of God but Isn't becoming a child of God a spiritual experience like John said "ye must be born again". Wasn't he referring to becoming spiritual reborn? Isn't this what makes us spiritual children of God? "In Christ so to speak". If we are not in Christ and haven't been spiritually reborn then aren't we referred to as being the children of Satan?

Just some thoughts I had while reading everyone's posts.

CHB

Yes, some are children of Satan, in the here and now, and we know that.  However, God has told us of a time when all will be His children, and He will be All in all.  Therefore, our confidence in that knowledge gives us to see all as God's children.  :friendstu:

Beautiful post CHB
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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2014, 09:41:05 PM »
Why Jesus is the Savior of the World then? Why not Jesus is the savior of God's people or the Savior of only those who believe. Funny thing is, ET's say you can only be saved in this life, but where does it say that in the Bible? It talks about death and then the judgement in one verse, but it never says no one can be saved after the judgement.

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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2014, 09:46:57 PM »
There is judgement. There is a punishment, aka correction. At least according to this UR.
How many people get judged in human courts everyday?
All guilty get the electric chair. O, wait human judges have brains and give  punishment that fits the crime. But according to many Father is a black or white guy. Free or electric chair.

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2014, 10:42:32 PM »
All are children of God by creation,

Acts 17:26 He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.' 29 Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.

But all are not children of God by the new creation, the kingdom of God and the love of God

They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God." 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand ]what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks [n]a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God."
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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2014, 05:58:19 AM »
....I beleive all men are sons of God..though most be prodigals...I believe when Jesus spoke those words

  He was speaking to the evil/viper spirits dwelling in those religious leaders.

    it is also my beleif that when we are perfected and our training finished...there will be no doubt about it,

   just who are the sons of God and who are the sons of the devils.

   now possessed children of God may be blinded..by the prince of this world..and spiritually deafened

 by him,too...

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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2014, 06:53:13 AM »
I agree all are His "natural offspring"...He's Creator Yahweh

all are not children of God by the new creation, the kingdom of God and the love of God

They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God." 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand ]what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks [n]a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God."

..and, "to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--"  John 1:12

I also see the spiritual new birth here..the miracle of the free gift of grace
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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2014, 08:54:52 AM »
I agree all are His "natural offspring"...He's Creator Yahweh

OTOH "children of satan" is an inspired verse.
Maybe it has to do something with adoption laws.
IIRC the ancients didn't knew half-brother and in-laws. It was all or nothing.
When an ancient Benjaminite Jew, lets say, adopted an orphan boy, that boy became part of the bloodline of his new father. He was a Benjaminite. Not some sub-class like 'my adopted son'.

Elsewhere we read about people being grafted into a tree. Gentiles being grafted into the Jewish tree. In a way that very similar as the example of the orphan I gave above. The orphan boy was grafted in the family tree of the man who adopted him.


Maybe there are only 2 choices for branches and orphans.
Get grafted into the satanic tree/family or the Godly tree/family.
When part of the satanic tree 'you' are satan's child. BUT you can be grafted into the holy tree. And it will happen eventually.


John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jesus' task is to graft 'other sheep' into His flock (family).

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2014, 09:07:49 AM »
yeah, i think i pretty much agree with that too if i'm understanding correctly...

i personally just don't believe all mankind is "all in the same boat, some are just further along than others".  i see it more as the work of the cross applied through the gift of faith to believe, i.e., the spiritual new birth bringing with it the adoption as a child of God - IMO, an irrevocable calling.  the split between child of God and child of the devil is based on a miracle and a Divine gift of Life (Eph. 2:8).  and i also agree, every knee will eventually bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord.

yes, the Shepherd seeking the lost and bringing in other sheep...
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Re: Children of God and Children of Satan
« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2014, 08:58:01 AM »
yeah, i think i pretty much agree with that too if i'm understanding correctly...

i personally just don't believe all mankind is "all in the same boat, some are just further along than others". i see it more as the work of the cross applied through the gift of faith to believe, i.e., the spiritual new birth bringing with it the adoption as a child of God - IMO, an irrevocable calling.  the split between child of God and child of the devil is based on a miracle and a Divine gift of Life (Eph. 2:8).  and i also agree, every knee will eventually bow and every tongue confess Jesus is Lord.

yes, the Shepherd seeking the lost and bringing in other sheep...

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