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Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« on: November 28, 2010, 09:31:04 PM »
YLTMatthew 7
13 `Go ye in through the strait gate, because wide is the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it;
14 how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Few find the path to heaven; many end in hell.

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For the [logos-saying-word] word of God [is]alive and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 09:32:09 PM »
micah said;

This again begins at Matt. 5 and Jesus was speaking only to His disciples, not the multitude.  And we must understand that all the words that Jesus spoke were parables. The Lord is so Good.
For the [logos-saying-word] word of God [is]alive and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 06:43:24 PM »
A parable; but of what? Many will say the meaning of the parable is ED or ET.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 06:55:34 PM »
The fall of Jerusalem in 70AD and how the many statements and prophecies of Jesus and other New Testament writers relate to it is a lost teaching in this day and age.  It is the cause of much doctrinal error and eschatological [end time doctrine] errors.  The history of the fall of Jerusalem proves beyond doubt that those that rejected Christ, those that took the "wide gate" of conformity to the status quo, suffered horribly. 

This same subject is discussed in Matt. 7:13, 14.  "Enter in at the strait gate!  Wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction.  There will be many that go that way.  Strait is the gate and narrow is the way which leads to life.  Only a few will find it."

The language teaches that only a few walked in the narrow way marked out by Christ during that time.  The many chose the broader way of wrong.  If we relate these passages to the after life, we cannot escape the conclusion that heaven will only contain a few souls and the overwhelming majority will be perpetually burned.  This conclusion would negate countless scriptures and make the devil more successful than Jesus the Christ.  These passages have no reference to the future world whatsoever.  They speak of the few who, in our Savior's day, went right while the overwhelming majority went wrong.  While at first this may sound like I am putting a spin on this scripture - wait until you get the whole picture!

Students of scripture - learn this well!  The Greek word for destruction used here and many other verses is a state that one can be saved from. 

It important to understand that the word for 'destruction' [Greek 'apoleia'] in Matthew means destruction, waste or ruin.  Believers in eternal burnings READ INTO words like this the meaning of hell fire and brimstone.  Here are some other uses of the word:

Mat 26:7-8 and Mark 14:14, "a woman approached Him with an alabaster jar of very expensive fragrant oil.  She poured it on His head as He was reclining at the table. When the disciples saw it, they were indignant. "Why this waste [destruction]?" they asked."
Acts 8:18-24, "Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money saying, "Give this authority to me as well so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit." But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish [be destroyed] with you because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!  You have no part or portion in this matter for your heart is not right before God. Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you.  For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity. But Simon answered and said, "Pray to the Lord for me yourselves so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me."

As the example in Acts 8 makes clear, repentance is possible from a state of 'destruction.'  Several other uses of this word show that a person can be delivered from, or repent of, a state of 'destruction'. 

Acts 25:16, "To whom I answered, It is not the manner of the Romans to deliver any man to die [destruction], before the accused confronts the accusers face to face and be allowed to answer for himself concerning the alleged crime."

Clearly Acts 25 makes clear again that one can be in a state of 'destruction' and yet be delivered from it since a trial could result in a man's freedom.  The language in Luke has a more special application to the Jews than that in Matthew.  The verse in Matthew could be applied to every age since Christ.  It is as true now as at the time Jesus spoke.  The path of godliness is followed by a comparative few.  The way of evil is broad and much traveled.   People can be on the path to destruction and repent.  Clearly, the word 'destruction' here doesn't mean eternal burnings.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 08:00:36 AM »
YLTMatthew 7
13 `Go ye in through the strait gate, because wide is the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it;
14 how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Few find the path to heaven; many end in hell.

(thanks WW for contribution)

"Wide is the gate" (imperfection/sin) "leading to destruction" (non-life) and all are upon it. Until faith in Jesus. No one enters the narrow gate (life/reconciliation to God) except through faith in Jesus.

- No one hears the notorious words "those not believing will go to the second death" (Revelation 20:15) until [1] they have experienced being resurrected (in the second resurrection, Revelation 20:12 as opposed to the first resurrection of 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) and [2] they have experienced, witnessed and lived through a long day of the judgment of all things, all human history, etc, Revelation 20:12. Who, after all that, isn't going to believe?

Psalm 22:27 "All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD. And all families of the nations will worship before you."
Any untruth leaveneth the whole lump (dilutes the gospel/message of its POWER)

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 10:18:12 PM »
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"Wide is the gate" (imperfection/sin) "leading to destruction" (non-life) and all are upon it. Until faith in Jesus. No one enters the narrow gate (life/reconciliation to God) except through faith in Jesus.

:thumbsup: narrow means straight -  from the ROOT to STAND\set \ESTABLISH

Mat 25:33   And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 
HE is The GATE[of the Temple-]

And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.  :icon_flower:
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 02:13:07 AM »
How many do you now who truly have "zoe" life. Overcoming life. "Joy unspeakable and full of glory?" Peace that passes understanding. Not many. It is because Few are able to "enter through the narrow gate.....walk in the strait way". It is the "single eye". It is narrow because it is "only in Christ". As such it is the "eye of the needle". How many do you kno who are walking in "destruction", "chastisement", i.e. the fruit of their own works (we reap as we sow), sowing to the flesh, reaping "death/corruption"? Are they going to eternal hell? Let's hope not since so many of them are believers, babes in Christ, carnal, having seen Jesus but still living as if they had not. Is it grace? or is it law? It is the grace of God that teaches us to flee immorality, as Paul said. How does it teach us? By allowing us to reap the result of our carnality when we refuse the "easy yoke" and cling to the "wide path". "For the trial of your faith is more precious than gold tried in the fire". Unto whom was Jesus speaking in the parables. Unbelieving sinners? The evil ones of the world? Of course not, He spoke parables to those who believe so that seeing they might no see. So that they could reach the end of their natural understanding and become blind. Mysteries hidden from the foundation of the world. Mysteries hidden from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes. "Because you say you see your sin remains"! Make straight paths for your feet :o) Prepare ye the way of the Lord!    Who is more blind than my servant!
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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 04:15:09 AM »


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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 05:43:56 AM »
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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2011, 05:51:18 AM »
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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 07:04:25 AM »
 :bigGrin: :bigGrin:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 04:11:14 PM »
I've missed the majestic sight of the eagle.

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 05:42:02 PM »
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 wow this  is a great thread .. thanks  Much to think about !!!
  always  seeing evil trying to destroy the Good 
 evil  putting Jesus to the Cross   but to the evils demise this  Victory starts the process 
 we can have peace that the Lord saves us  and put the guilt of sin away  for good !! if you keep  your eye"single eye". on Jesus , go and sin no more less a worse thing comes upon you 
 we learn well , just what good and evil is by exercising  this   choosing good and hating evil  daily in our lives  :icon_flower:

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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2011, 07:32:59 AM »
Amen
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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 07:19:23 PM »
How many do you now who truly have "zoe" life. Overcoming life. "Joy unspeakable and full of glory?" Peace that passes understanding. Not many. It is because Few are able to "enter through the narrow gate.....walk in the strait way". It is the "single eye". It is narrow because it is "only in Christ". As such it is the "eye of the needle". How many do you kno who are walking in "destruction", "chastisement", i.e. the fruit of their own works (we reap as we sow), sowing to the flesh, reaping "death/corruption"? Are they going to eternal hell? Let's hope not since so many of them are believers, babes in Christ, carnal, having seen Jesus but still living as if they had not. Is it grace? or is it law? It is the grace of God that teaches us to flee immorality, as Paul said. How does it teach us? By allowing us to reap the result of our carnality when we refuse the "easy yoke" and cling to the "wide path". "For the trial of your faith is more precious than gold tried in the fire". Unto whom was Jesus speaking in the parables. Unbelieving sinners? The evil ones of the world? Of course not, He spoke parables to those who believe so that seeing they might no see. So that they could reach the end of their natural understanding and become blind. Mysteries hidden from the foundation of the world. Mysteries hidden from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes. "Because you say you see your sin remains"! Make straight paths for your feet :o) Prepare ye the way of the Lord!    Who is more blind than my servant!

Amen! Great word!
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Re: Matthew 7:13,14 Straight Gate, Few Find It
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2011, 06:55:55 PM »
Thanks Lo :o)
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