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Hebrews 9:27 Die, Then Judgment

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jabcat:
Hebrews 9:27  And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment:

marie glen:
1 Thessalonians chapter 4, especially verses 13 and 14, answers the question New Testament believers had concerning believers who had now died before the return of Jesus. Paul wrote that these ones were asleep in aJesus and would return with Jesus at His return. Verses 15 and 16 tell us those thus awakened will precede Jesus' gathering to Himself His elect at His return (cross reference Matthew 24:27,29-31). This of course is the first resurrection, also spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, when believers will "put on immortality" which I presume means immortality will not be put on earlier, namely at each individual's death.

The "Judgment Seat of Christ" occurs at, or follows this first resurrection when believers will receive rewards, etc. So die, then judgment.

All unbelievers will be resurrected in the second resurrection after the millennial reign of Jesus, the second advent (literal like the first). And of course we know Judgment Day follows that resurrection. Die, then the judgment. But surely the day of examining/judging all things, all human history, etc will be a very long day. And by the end of that (day) when God says "those not believing will go to the second death" who is not going to believe?

Why would there be conviction and sentence passed upon those who never even "heard" the gospel, which will be a large part of the second resurrection. "How will they hear unless they are told?" Romans 10:14. It defies logic and scripture such as "God is love" 1 John 4:8 and "God desires all to come to repentance" 2 Peter 3:9.

legoman:
Hebrews 9:27  And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment:

This is the verse that is used to "prove" that no one can be saved after death.

The false premise is that judgment is quote a "bad thing" that is to be avoided - it is simply a synonym for eternal punishment.

The truth is that God uses judgment for a good thing - Isaiah 26:9 gives us an example: when God's judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.  That is what judgment does.

Judgment means to make a decision about a situation, upon which a resolution is given which will set things right.  So the participants of this process will learn what is right by understanding the decision and what was done wrong.  ie. they learn what righteousness is - righteousness is doing the right thing.

Therefore this verse is proof that everyone will ultimately learn what is right. (ie. righteousness).  Everyone will learn this through judgment - for everyone is judged, either here and now or after death.

WhiteWings:

--- Quote from: legoman on December 13, 2010, 08:53:45 PM ---Hebrews 9:27  And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment:

This is the verse that is used to "prove" that no one can be saved after death.

The false premise is that judgment is quote a "bad thing" that is to be avoided - it is simply a synonym for eternal punishment.
--- End quote ---
Even if judgement is  a bad thing it doesn't automaticly mean it's an everlasting thing.

Nil Recurring:
Exactly...we have judges on earth and when they do judge someone it is often to a temporary punishment.

The parable of the debtor in Matthew 18 even says: 32Then his master summoned him and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?' 34 And in anger his master delivered him to the jailers, until he should pay all his debt. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.

There's an example right there of someone being judged and found guilty, but his punishment is not forever, it is simply until he pays back what he owes.

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