Revelation 21:8 Unbelieving, LOF, Second Death

[whyiloveitaly]

It always makes me smile to see the Lord move.  I was in an AA meeting today and one of the women in there had an "issue" with part of the preamble.  The portion about "we are not saints".  She was visably upset and few of us could really figure out why.  What came to mind to me I spoke.  I said, in my life when I am seeking answers about something that is bothering me the answer is usually much less relevant/important than insight into why it's bothering me in the first place.  As soon as that came out of my mouth I heard in my head, wouldn't it be nice if you took your own advice.

So many times, I give the advice I need.  For me, the way God handles his business in the afterlife should be of little relevance to me.  That is God's business nor does he need my approval.  But, this thought about people living lives anyway they wish then being instantly transformed into perfection has been absolutely eating my lunch.  Why does it bother me so much?  Whatever the process, why would it matter to me?  Why would I want some sort of painful process for nonbelievers?  Ugly questions that reveal much about my walk.  It's hard asking these questions.

I'm not sure I have worked it all out in my head.  But, obviously there is a part of me that still considers walking with Christ a sacrifice, something hard and constrictive.  If I make this "sacrifice" then there had better be an award, or some sort of consequence for those who don't.  Ugh.  I have mixed feelings about these sort of internal revelations...these mirrors...seeing my spiritual reflection is not always easy.  Am I really living love?  Or, is my walk more self seeking behavior that I expect to be rewarded?  But, I know if God is bringing it to my attention, he is moving to change it.

I know that I don't deserve eternal life.  I have not done anything worthy of reward.  The "sacrifice" is merely my flesh crying out for validation.  All is grace, and if God wants to pour out his grace in abundance to those who don't believe in a process that is instant and without pain, if there is no additional reward to those who are faithful...is that a game changer for me?  Is that something that will hinder my walk?  Why do I live for Christ?  Is it truly because of love for him?  Or am I dressing selfishness in piety and calling it something spiritual?

The honesty in this post is earth-shattering.

Blessings shawn!
brian

[Molly]

But, obviously there is a part of me that still considers walking with Christ a sacrifice, something hard and constrictive.  If I make this "sacrifice" then there had better be an award, or some sort of consequence for those who don't.

We think sacrifice has to be something difficult, painful, and maybe even deadly.  That's why it was such a shock to me to see he wants sacrifices  of joy.  He wants me to sacrifice my joy to Him? And, indeed, that is the one odd characteristic we notice about the apostles--that they are always happy no matter what awful thing might be happening to them.  Count it all joy, says James.  This is a function, not of the action or the circumstance, but of the relationship with God.

Psalm 27:6
And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD.


Isaiah 56:7
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

[Nathan]

Blame God for "lying"?  The lies are not from him.  They come from the carnality of this place that influences men and us.  What God has done is take that which intended to be destruction to us and he's reversed into resurrection in us.  What I used to believe got me to where I was when I made the crossing.  Had I not have had what I had, the crossing may never have come in this life time at all.  The key is that we embrace where we are in him "now" so that we can continue to advance in him in the tomorrows to come.  But even then, hold on to the doctrines loosely so that should the time come where we are asked to release them again, we can do so willingly and effortlessly.  It's called growth . . .and that's always a good thing.

[shawn]

It always makes me smile to see the Lord move.  I was in an AA meeting today and one of the women in there had an "issue" with part of the preamble.  The portion about "we are not saints".  She was visably upset and few of us could really figure out why.  What came to mind to me I spoke.  I said, in my life when I am seeking answers about something that is bothering me the answer is usually much less relevant/important than insight into why it's bothering me in the first place.  As soon as that came out of my mouth I heard in my head, wouldn't it be nice if you took your own advice.

So many times, I give the advice I need.  For me, the way God handles his business in the afterlife should be of little relevance to me.  That is God's business nor does he need my approval.  But, this thought about people living lives anyway they wish then being instantly transformed into perfection has been absolutely eating my lunch.  Why does it bother me so much?  Whatever the process, why would it matter to me?  Why would I want some sort of painful process for nonbelievers?  Ugly questions that reveal much about my walk.  It's hard asking these questions.

I'm not sure I have worked it all out in my head.  But, obviously there is a part of me that still considers walking with Christ a sacrifice, something hard and constrictive.  If I make this "sacrifice" then there had better be an award, or some sort of consequence for those who don't.  Ugh.  I have mixed feelings about these sort of internal revelations...these mirrors...seeing my spiritual reflection is not always easy.  Am I really living love?  Or, is my walk more self seeking behavior that I expect to be rewarded?  But, I know if God is bringing it to my attention, he is moving to change it.

I know that I don't deserve eternal life.  I have not done anything worthy of reward.  The "sacrifice" is merely my flesh crying out for validation.  All is grace, and if God wants to pour out his grace in abundance to those who don't believe in a process that is instant and without pain, if there is no additional reward to those who are faithful...is that a game changer for me?  Is that something that will hinder my walk?  Why do I live for Christ?  Is it truly because of love for him?  Or am I dressing selfishness in piety and calling it something spiritual?

The honesty in this post is earth-shattering.

Blessings shawn!
brian

Brian,

God has brought some healing into my life in various areas over the past 3+ years.  He has brought some knowledge and I am in a constant state of seeking more.  I have MUCH to learn.  But, one thing I have learned is I can't suffer secretly.  I am making more attempts to live transparently.  In the groups I attend they like to say "secrets make us sick".  There is deep spiritual insight there.  I know that if I bring my struggles, motivations, acts stemming from lack of faith out into the open, then that is one step closer to God moving to change it.  There is something very powerful about opening up to others.

I have so many areas that I believe God will work on with me.  But, today I am ok knowing that even though I fall short, my motivations are not always pure, and I stumble and fall on my face that I am a child of God.  I am right where I am supposed to be right now.  I find much peace with that.  I am at peace with the now but I have an ache for that growth.  I believe God will finish the work he has started.

[shawn]

But, obviously there is a part of me that still considers walking with Christ a sacrifice, something hard and constrictive.  If I make this "sacrifice" then there had better be an award, or some sort of consequence for those who don't.

We think sacrifice has to be something difficult, painful, and maybe even deadly.  That's why it was such a shock to me to see he wants sacrifices  of joy.  He wants me to sacrifice my joy to Him? And, indeed, that is the one odd characteristic we notice about the apostles--that they are always happy no matter what awful thing might be happening to them.  Count it all joy, says James.  This is a function, not of the action or the circumstance, but of the relationship with God.

Psalm 27:6
And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD.


Isaiah 56:7
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

I really love this post Molly.  The sacrifice of joy.  Wow.  To be at peace no matter what the circumstance seems almost unattainable to me.  I know for sure it's unattainable by me.  But, with God all things are possible.  And I believe God will move.  I have seen too much to ever think God won't do exactly what he said he is going to do.


Romans 8
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That brings tears to my eyes.  We are more than conquerors, nothing will seperate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[thinktank]

Blame God for "lying"?  The lies are not from him.  They come from the carnality of this place that influences men and us.  What God has done is take that which intended to be destruction to us and he's reversed into resurrection in us.  What I used to believe got me to where I was when I made the crossing.  Had I not have had what I had, the crossing may never have come in this life time at all.  The key is that we embrace where we are in him "now" so that we can continue to advance in him in the tomorrows to come.  But even then, hold on to the doctrines loosely so that should the time come where we are asked to release them again, we can do so willingly and effortlessly.  It's called growth . . .and that's always a good thing.

I think lying was the wrong word, concealing is a better word, the scripture says he does hide things from us and I find it perplexing that he chooses to do this, it makes me question his claim to being full of love and mercy when he conceals and aslo prompts evil men to do evil. I.e Nathan go and kill this man who is annoying me. So you go off to kill the man, you come back and report to me and I say "Nathan your are evil, your heart is full of evil and you killed the man"
 But you instructed me to killl him?
My words are spirit"TT pretending to be God
This is what is currently seperating me and God is this issue, he being full of wisdom would know that the majority of man who reads the word is carnal and would interpret the word in carnal form, so why use carnal type instructions. Why not say "Jesus will come with spiritual fire to cleanse the hearts of people etc. But instead the prophets speak using carnal language just one example is "God will come with a consuming fire and turn the wicked into stubble etc. Is it no wonder that some christians burned people and their houses?
Also it brings the problem of whether to interpret the scripture literally or spiritually, ok a lot of the times both can be done, but still if the scripture is literal and it is important to know, ie. when Noah built an ark it depended on his life that he would take the scripture literally or he and his familly would die, in his instance it would not be needed to ponder over the spiritual meaning, but rather take action on the word he received. Likewise Abrahams wife had a word that she would have a baby at old age, if she took this spirituallly, she might have missed here chance of fullfilling, or rather, believing the word and not take action.

[Molly]

TT, sometimes it is prudent to keep secrets.



7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

--1 Cor 2



Those 'princes,' by the way, are the chief [archon] among supernatural rulers [kosmokrator] of this [evil] age.

[shawn]

Blame God for "lying"?  The lies are not from him.  They come from the carnality of this place that influences men and us.  What God has done is take that which intended to be destruction to us and he's reversed into resurrection in us.  What I used to believe got me to where I was when I made the crossing.  Had I not have had what I had, the crossing may never have come in this life time at all.  The key is that we embrace where we are in him "now" so that we can continue to advance in him in the tomorrows to come.  But even then, hold on to the doctrines loosely so that should the time come where we are asked to release them again, we can do so willingly and effortlessly.  It's called growth . . .and that's always a good thing.

I think lying was the wrong word, concealing is a better word, the scripture says he does hide things from us and I find it perplexing that he chooses to do this, it makes me question his claim to being full of love and mercy when he conceals and aslo prompts evil men to do evil. I.e Nathan go and kill this man who is annoying me. So you go off to kill the man, you come back and report to me and I say "Nathan your are evil, your heart is full of evil and you killed the man"
 But you instructed me to killl him?
My words are spirit"TT pretending to be God
This is what is currently seperating me and God is this issue, he being full of wisdom would know that the majority of man who reads the word is carnal and would interpret the word in carnal form, so why use carnal type instructions. Why not say "Jesus will come with spiritual fire to cleanse the hearts of people etc. But instead the prophets speak using carnal language just one example is "God will come with a consuming fire and turn the wicked into stubble etc. Is it no wonder that some christians burned people and their houses?
Also it brings the problem of whether to interpret the scripture literally or spiritually, ok a lot of the times both can be done, but still if the scripture is literal and it is important to know, ie. when Noah built an ark it depended on his life that he would take the scripture literally or he and his familly would die, in his instance it would not be needed to ponder over the spiritual meaning, but rather take action on the word he received. Likewise Abrahams wife had a word that she would have a baby at old age, if she took this spirituallly, she might have missed here chance of fullfilling, or rather, believing the word and not take action.

Romans 9 MSG

20-33Who in the world do you think you are to second-guess God? Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question? Clay doesn't talk back to the fingers that mold it, saying, "Why did you shape me like this?" Isn't it obvious that a potter has a perfect right to shape one lump of clay into a vase for holding flowers and another into a pot for cooking beans? If God needs one style of pottery especially designed to show his angry displeasure and another style carefully crafted to show his glorious goodness, isn't that all right? Either or both happens to Jews, but it also happens to the other people.

[Nathan]

Blame God for "lying"?  The lies are not from him.  They come from the carnality of this place that influences men and us.  What God has done is take that which intended to be destruction to us and he's reversed into resurrection in us.  What I used to believe got me to where I was when I made the crossing.  Had I not have had what I had, the crossing may never have come in this life time at all.  The key is that we embrace where we are in him "now" so that we can continue to advance in him in the tomorrows to come.  But even then, hold on to the doctrines loosely so that should the time come where we are asked to release them again, we can do so willingly and effortlessly.  It's called growth . . .and that's always a good thing.

I think lying was the wrong word, concealing is a better word, the scripture says he does hide things from us and I find it perplexing that he chooses to do this, it makes me question his claim to being full of love and mercy when he conceals and aslo prompts evil men to do evil. I.e Nathan go and kill this man who is annoying me. So you go off to kill the man, you come back and report to me and I say "Nathan your are evil, your heart is full of evil and you killed the man"
 But you instructed me to killl him?
My words are spirit"TT pretending to be God
This is what is currently seperating me and God is this issue, he being full of wisdom would know that the majority of man who reads the word is carnal and would interpret the word in carnal form, so why use carnal type instructions. Why not say "Jesus will come with spiritual fire to cleanse the hearts of people etc. But instead the prophets speak using carnal language just one example is "God will come with a consuming fire and turn the wicked into stubble etc. Is it no wonder that some christians burned people and their houses?
Also it brings the problem of whether to interpret the scripture literally or spiritually, ok a lot of the times both can be done, but still if the scripture is literal and it is important to know, ie. when Noah built an ark it depended on his life that he would take the scripture literally or he and his familly would die, in his instance it would not be needed to ponder over the spiritual meaning, but rather take action on the word he received. Likewise Abrahams wife had a word that she would have a baby at old age, if she took this spirituallly, she might have missed here chance of fullfilling, or rather, believing the word and not take action.

We are vessels . . .we merely do what we are created to do.  If I was created as a sword, I would be used to murder and then be called a sword because that's what I was created "as".  I don't think God's treasures are hidden "from" us, I believe they are hidden 'for" us.  But if we're not interested in pursuing them, we'll not realize their true worth and we'll be left unchanged.  God wants us to chase him, to pursue him, to put in an effort to experience his nature.  I think it has much to do with our "desire" for him more than his revealing himself to us.

[thinktank]

Are you saying then that even though a lot of the bible is double dutch, that as we pursue that in this book of offense , that there is treasure to be found and that God gives us this desire to search this offensive bible that the world hates, and somehow find gems of understanding. That the book was deliberatily set up to be offensive and foolish as the scriptures says, the wisdom of God is foolishness to the wise. From personal experience I seem to see that Christians and God are good, but sometimes I feel the bible is not on the same level, but I guess a lot is the limitations of words, because I also at the same time, I hope you have read here that I have great respect also for the bible, it's genius, supernatural survival, the only book to predict the future, and being the pionner of changing the world and bringing many of todays freedoms into being. But it seems that Christians are the one that do most of the changing through the spirit of God, rather than the actual bible, as a lot of christians don't even read it these days, but rely on the holy spirit and the living word.

[shawn]

Are you saying then that even though a lot of the bible is double dutch, that as we pursue that in this book of offense , that there is treasure to be found and that God gives us this desire to search this offensive bible that the world hates, and somehow find gems of understanding. That the book was deliberatily set up to be offensive and foolish as the scriptures says, the wisdom of God is foolishness to the wise. From personal experience I seem to see that Christians and God are good, but sometimes I feel the bible is not on the same level, but I guess a lot is the limitations of words, because I also at the same time, I hope you have read here that I have great respect also for the bible, it's genius, supernatural survival, the only book to predict the future, and being the pionner of changing the world and bringing many of todays freedoms into being. But it seems that Christians are the one that do most of the changing through the spirit of God, rather than the actual bible, as a lot of christians don't even read it these days, but rely on the holy spirit and the living word.

Yeah, I don't believe Nathan is saying anything like that.  The Bible isn't "double dutch", offensive, foolish, limited or anything of the like.  To call the Bible such things, scriptures inspired by God is deeply troubling.

The Bible will seem foolish to the secular/natural mind.  It can certainly seem offensive to those who do not love God.  But, it's our minds which are limited, our insights which are left wanting.

God certainly keeps certain things secret.  Look at his plan for the Gentiles.  He revealed it in his own time.  Who are we to question that timing?  Who are we to question his motives?  I believe he does so for some of the reasons Nathan stated.  But, I also believe he does so because it's part of his plan to keep things within his timeline of revelation.  Do I understand these things?  No, nor do I have to.  I live by faith, this is a faith walk.  I am uplifted by scripture and directed by the Holy Spirit.  The Bible plays a very significant role in that.

[Nathan]

Yeah, I think the "double Dutch" has a lot to do with the attempt to interpret spiritual truth with natural thinking minds.  It will always end in contortion.  The form of truth can be seen, but it's liberating power remains locked due to the fact that spiritual truth can only be rightly divided through spiritual revelation from the Father.  The rest of it is like pieces to a puzzle.  When we're relying on our mind's interpretation of Scriptures, we may be able to see forms and framework, but we can't see the whole picture because it can't be seen by the natural mind of men.  We see the form of truth but we've not gotten into the full benefit of power of Truth's fullest potential in our lives.

So we at best are able to twist the words to "appear" to say what we "think" is the truth.  But as soon as it's questioned, we go on the warpath against those questioning our stance.  "if" it's spiritual truth that is manifesting in us, there is no need for defending it because there's no offense strong enough to overtake it.  It has a life of it's own . . .that's how it can "transform" us.  All death can do is decompose us.  But only life can truly transform us from one form of our nature into an even greater one . . .which is "His" nature living 'in" us.

There is no shadow or turning in His truth.  It's our reality, our perspectives of his truth that are forever changing, which is as it should be . . .it's called growth.

[whyiloveitaly]

It always makes me smile to see the Lord move.  I was in an AA meeting today and one of the women in there had an "issue" with part of the preamble.  The portion about "we are not saints".  She was visably upset and few of us could really figure out why.  What came to mind to me I spoke.  I said, in my life when I am seeking answers about something that is bothering me the answer is usually much less relevant/important than insight into why it's bothering me in the first place.  As soon as that came out of my mouth I heard in my head, wouldn't it be nice if you took your own advice.

So many times, I give the advice I need.  For me, the way God handles his business in the afterlife should be of little relevance to me.  That is God's business nor does he need my approval.  But, this thought about people living lives anyway they wish then being instantly transformed into perfection has been absolutely eating my lunch.  Why does it bother me so much?  Whatever the process, why would it matter to me?  Why would I want some sort of painful process for nonbelievers?  Ugly questions that reveal much about my walk.  It's hard asking these questions.

I'm not sure I have worked it all out in my head.  But, obviously there is a part of me that still considers walking with Christ a sacrifice, something hard and constrictive.  If I make this "sacrifice" then there had better be an award, or some sort of consequence for those who don't.  Ugh.  I have mixed feelings about these sort of internal revelations...these mirrors...seeing my spiritual reflection is not always easy.  Am I really living love?  Or, is my walk more self seeking behavior that I expect to be rewarded?  But, I know if God is bringing it to my attention, he is moving to change it.

I know that I don't deserve eternal life.  I have not done anything worthy of reward.  The "sacrifice" is merely my flesh crying out for validation.  All is grace, and if God wants to pour out his grace in abundance to those who don't believe in a process that is instant and without pain, if there is no additional reward to those who are faithful...is that a game changer for me?  Is that something that will hinder my walk?  Why do I live for Christ?  Is it truly because of love for him?  Or am I dressing selfishness in piety and calling it something spiritual?

The honesty in this post is earth-shattering.

Blessings shawn!
brian

Brian,

God has brought some healing into my life in various areas over the past 3+ years.  He has brought some knowledge and I am in a constant state of seeking more.  I have MUCH to learn.  But, one thing I have learned is I can't suffer secretly.  I am making more attempts to live transparently.  In the groups I attend they like to say "secrets make us sick".  There is deep spiritual insight there.  I know that if I bring my struggles, motivations, acts stemming from lack of faith out into the open, then that is one step closer to God moving to change it.  There is something very powerful about opening up to others.

I have so many areas that I believe God will work on with me.  But, today I am ok knowing that even though I fall short, my motivations are not always pure, and I stumble and fall on my face that I am a child of God.  I am right where I am supposed to be right now.  I find much peace with that.  I am at peace with the now but I have an ache for that growth.  I believe God will finish the work he has started.

Beautiful!
I think what you are referring to is "walking in the Spirit." Or living in the NOW, which is all we have. Salvation is "today" because this is all we have. The manna fresh from the Father is what we need, not the old manna which was a blessing to some of old, but which cannot bring us life today.

Blessings to you!
brian

[WhiteWings]

WHat exactly will take place in the lake of fire?

Purification.
Fire and brimstone
θεῖον
theion
Thayer Definition:
1) brimstone
1a) divine incense, because burning brimstone was regarded as having power to purify, and to ward off disease
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: probably of G2304 (in its original sense of flashing)
Citing in TDNT: 3:122,*
Malachi 3:2  ...for he is like a refiner's fire....
Mark 9:49-50  or every one shall be salted with fire .... Salt is good ....
^YLTRev 14
10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, that hath been mingled unmixed in the cup of His anger, and he shall be tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy messengers, and before the Lamb,
βασανίζω
basanizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal

Note that a refiner (Mal 3:2) uses that stone. A refiner watches/tests if all dross is removed from the gold. Imo if the Bible speaks about wheat don't just study commentaries from a theologian; also go to the library and read about farming/wheat. Same for sheep, fish, gold and marriage. Jesus was a teacher. A teacher teaches at the student. If you where an illiterate farmer and you hear about wheat or sheep would you or would you not relate that to your daily job.
Please note for the Jews at that time there isn't much new stuff in the NT.
Most of Jesus parables were used on daily basis for teaching people the things of God long before Jesus was born.

Isn't being born again in this age a 100 percent given that the sin is NO LONGER Imputed to that person?

I think that are entirely different things



Acts 7:30  And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
1 Chronicles 21:26  And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.
1 Corinthians 3:13  .... for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Deuteronomy 4:24  For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Ezekiel 1:27  And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, ....  saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about ....
Genesis 15:17  ....  behold a smoking furnace (God), and a burning lamp (God) that passed between those pieces (cut up sacrificial animals).
Hebrews 1:7  And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Hebrews 12:29  For our God is a consuming fire
Isaiah 4:4  .... and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
Isaiah 4:5  ....  a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
James 3:5  Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
Judges 6:21  Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight.
Luke 3:16  ....  he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Þ Baptism is a positive act.
Malachi 3:2  But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Malachi 3:3  And he shall sit as a refiner (uses fire) and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi (priests), and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
Mark 9:49-50  or every one shall be salted with fire .... Salt is good ....
Matthew 3:11  .... whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
2 Kings 6:17  And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
1 Peter 1:7  That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried (=tested) with fire ....
1 Peter 4:12  Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
Psalm 18:8  There went up a smoke out of his (God) nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
Psalm 66:10-12  .... thou hast tried us, as silver is tried (=tested) .... we went through fire and through water: but thou broughtest us out into a wealthy place.
Psalm 104:4  Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Romans 12:20  Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him (=love); if he thirst, give him drink (=love): for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire (=love) on his head.