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Even the 12 didn't believe in Jesus

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James, if this post is in the wrong section move/delete with free will :winkgrin:

Not strickly verses that show not all will be saved but still something to consider I think.

The 12 had a close relationship with Jesus during His ministry. Some for about 33 years because Jesus was (close) family.
They had actually heard His teachings. Saw His miracles. Lived in the same culture. Etc.
When Jesus was arrested they denied they knew Him.
When the women reported to the 12 He was resurrected they didn't believe the women.
Thomas did only believe when after he was allowed to touch Jesus' wounds.

Were they doomed for being unbelievers? Nope, Jesus just returned and gave them that extra proof they needed.

      O'yeah, WW   their faith was the tiniest of seeds...BUT LOOK HOW IT GREW.....so that they were all martyred and were faithful unto Him even unto death.

     The parable of the mustard seed comes to mind.

One thought is "Lord I believe, help my unbelief".  I'm not sure anyone always 100% believes. 

Interesting to note that Jesus said they had been given to understand the secrets of the kingdom, yet they were still expecting some different things (earthly kingdom) than what Jesus had in mind (spiritual)..

Also, I don't believe they could "technically"/fully be spiritually reborn until after the cross, and another aspect of that is, the Holy Spirit hadn't as yet "completely arrived" (Acts 2).


There's a huge difference in Peter after he receives the Spirit.

Before he's enthusiastic, loves Jesus, but is still weak in the flesh and not really understanding much.

Afterwards, his very shadow heals people.

14And all the more believers in the Lord, multitudes of men and women, were constantly added to their number, 15to such an extent that they even carried the sick out into the streets and laid them on cots and pallets, so that when Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on any one of them. 16Also the people from the cities in the vicinity of Jerusalem were coming together, bringing people who were sick or afflicted with unclean spirits, and they were all being healed. [Acts 5]


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