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1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« on: December 01, 2010, 02:13:42 AM »
1 Cor 6:9-10   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 05:30:40 PM »
To use this passage to support the doctrine of hell is a manifestation that they have misunderstood (read: they are veilled) what the Kingdom of God is.
It is not the Heavens the place where God dwells.
It is the manifestation of God's power and rule through Christ in the elect.
It is a spiritual Kingdom.
The unrighteous do not inherit this Kingdom because they love not God and do not remain in His Love.

1 John 4:
7 Beloved, we should be loving one another, for love is of God, and everyone who is loving God is begotten of God, and knows God.
8 He who is not loving knew not God, for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God among us, that God has dispatched His only-begotten Son into the world that we should be living through Him.
10 In this is love, not that we love God, but that He loves us, and dispatches His son, a propitiatory shelter concerned with our sins.
11 Beloved, if thus God loves us, we also ought to be loving one another.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 09:01:22 PM »
1 Cor 6:9-10   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Using this verse and the many others like it to prove "eternal hell" is a fallacy on many levels.  The "eternal hell" view relies on these two incorrect assumptions:

1.  The assumption that the Kingdom of heaven is "heaven" (AKA a final blissful end-state)
2.  The assumption that the unrighteous cannot be converted to become righteous

Point 2 is the real kicker here - ultimately, there will be no unrighteous people in existence.  They will have been converted to be righteous, for that is what Jesus will do - He makes "the many" (all men) righteous - see Romans 5.  This is done through a process of judgment - which teaches people what is right (ie. righteousness). 

Lets face it - we are all unrighteous (at some point).  This verse would condemn us all if we could not be converted.  So why allow the possibility that are unrighteous souls will be saved but discount it for others?

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 09:06:56 PM »
To use this passage to support the doctrine of hell is a manifestation that they have misunderstood (read: they are veilled) what the Kingdom of God is.
It is not the Heavens the place where God dwells.
It is the manifestation of God's power and rule through Christ in the elect.
It is a spiritual Kingdom.
The unrighteous do not inherit this Kingdom because they love not God and do not remain in His Love.

1 John 4:
7 Beloved, we should be loving one another, for love is of God, and everyone who is loving God is begotten of God, and knows God.
8 He who is not loving knew not God, for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God among us, that God has dispatched His only-begotten Son into the world that we should be living through Him.
10 In this is love, not that we love God, but that He loves us, and dispatches His son, a propitiatory shelter concerned with our sins.
11 Beloved, if thus God loves us, we also ought to be loving one another.

Pretty much..Amen..

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 09:08:16 PM »
1 Cor 6:9-10   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Using this verse and the many others like it to prove "eternal hell" is a fallacy on many levels.  The "eternal hell" view relies on these two incorrect assumptions:

1.  The assumption that the Kingdom of heaven is "heaven" (AKA a final blissful end-state)
2.  The assumption that the unrighteous cannot be converted to become righteous

Point 2 is the real kicker here - ultimately, there will be no unrighteous people in existence.  They will have been converted to be righteous, for that is what Jesus will do - He makes "the many" (all men) righteous - see Romans 5.  This is done through a process of judgment - which teaches people what is right (ie. righteousness). 

Lets face it - we are all unrighteous (at some point).  This verse would condemn us all if we could not be converted.  So why allow the possibility that are unrighteous souls will be saved but discount it for others?

Yes, this assumption that the Kingdom of Heaven is "heaven" is also where a lot of confusion comes in.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 09:39:48 PM »
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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 12:16:02 PM »
1 Cor 6:9-10   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

A Kingdom is a type of government that permeates every facet of the life of it's subjects with the will, prosperity, and justice of it's King.  It's defined by: it's boundaries, the reputation of it's King, the peace, prosperity, and happiness of it's people, by it's system of justice, by it's might and rank among the nations, and by who fears it.  To not be ranked among it's heirs implies being subject to those who are.  It implies having no say in it's laws, no sharing in responsibility for it's prosperity and expansion, but it does not address citizenship nor one's future prospects at all, beyond not being an heir.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 04:49:30 PM »
Sons and daughters inherit.

This verse speaks of those who have become sons and daughters through Christ, who can then call God "Father."  It says nothing of what happens to those identified by their behaviors as non-family members, other than they are not qualified to inherit or legally "own" the Kingdom all are intended to inhabit at some point.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 04:51:14 PM »
LOL! Just finished reading the rest of the responses. I agree with Green-Arrow who said it better than me.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 07:44:22 PM »
1 Cor 6:9-10   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

A Kingdom is a type of government that permeates every facet of the life of it's subjects with the will, prosperity, and justice of it's King.  It's defined by: it's boundaries, the reputation of it's King, the peace, prosperity, and happiness of it's people, by it's system of justice, by it's might and rank among the nations, and by who fears it.  To not be ranked among it's heirs implies being subject to those who are.  It implies having no say in it's laws, no sharing in responsibility for it's prosperity and expansion, but it does not address citizenship nor one's future prospects at all, beyond not being an heir.

Hi Green-Arrow:

You said much of my current understanding on this. I would add that to ENTER a place is not the same as owning it or inheriting it. The position of the saved in the kingdom is determined by their faithfulness. Christ speaks of this on a number of occasions. So none will enter the kingdom UNTIL they become righteous by believing in Jesus. So many will ENTER the kingdom who were unfaithful in life, and will not "inherit the kingdom, will have no possessions, no rulership, etc.," but nevertheless do enter since they are  born again. The place where I've changed recently, that the I believe that ALL will eventually enter the kingdom, but ONLY one way, by faith in Christ.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 08:08:27 PM »

 GOOD point /post Jabcat !!!
 great observations !!  being born again , is the same as being born of the incorruptible seed / Word of God      this  is amazing to me


1Cr 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
 

  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
 

 for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 

 
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
 
 being Born again from ABOVE  ! Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

 
Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
 
 
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2012, 12:39:44 AM »
unrighteous won't inherit Kingdom of HEAVEN..........


            BUT........BUT.......BUT........


    THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE.............................[hmmmn I think all us]

   and  so....we know....that just as we have bore the corruptible image.......

   so,to...we shall bear the image of the incorruptible......................

      the free gift of eternal life...through Jesus Christ......who redeemed all mankind

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2012, 02:50:12 AM »
Hate to be the party pooper, but most of these verses support the idea of BELIeVERS inheriting the kingdom of God and OVERCOMERS, Not the general unsaved masses.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2012, 05:20:34 AM »
but..every knee show bow..and every tongue shall confess...and he who calls on the name of the Lord

.......shall be saved.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2012, 08:02:28 AM »
And let everyone who calls on the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.

2Ti 2:19  Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2012, 04:16:03 PM »
GKM said, "I believe that ALL will eventually enter the kingdom, but ONLY one way, by faith in Christ."

Exactly right GKM. So many non UR people suggest that we are saying everybody gets in no matter what. That's not what we are saying. We are saying,  "No person comes to the Father but through me."(Jesus speaking. So everyone will eventually trust in the shed blood of Jesus to cover their sins, if not in this life, then after death.

Personally, (back to the original post) The bible says that we(the saints deemed righteous by the blood of Christ) shall rule or reign with him(Christ) for an age. Who are we going to rule over? I think it will be the ones that did not bow the knee and acknowledge Jesus is Lord during their lifetime.  :2c:
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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2012, 09:43:19 PM »
This verse is usually interpreted like the one in which Jesus says that one comes to the Father, but thru Him.  Most folks understand it to mean that many never come to the Father, but what if all will go to the Father thru Jesus...eventually.  I think that is how us UR believers see it.

In the same manner, while it is true that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom, it is not correct to assume that some people will never inherit because they will never become righteous.  God, and His Bible did not say that, and the statement should be taken at face value, not with assumptions tacked on.  All will be made righteous...eventually...and inherit.  The inheritance rule will thus be upheld, just not in the way the carnal mind imagines.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 09:53:17 PM »
This verse is usually interpreted like the one in which Jesus says that one comes to the Father, but thru Him.  Most folks understand it to mean that many never come to the Father, but what if all will go to the Father thru Jesus...eventually.  I think that is how us UR believers see it.

In the same manner, while it is true that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom, it is not correct to assume that some people will never inherit because they will never become righteous.  God, and His Bible did not say that, and the statement should be taken at face value, not with assumptions tacked on.  All will be made righteous...eventually...and inherit.  The inheritance rule will thus be upheld, just not in the way the carnal mind imagines.

Yeah this is how I see it. I don't believe the unrighteous can inherit the kingdom of God, because of what Jesus did. They must accept Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour and live righteosly. But for me this verse is talking about life in the present. i.e a unrighteous Christian lives as carnal and does not inherit the benefits of the kingdom, such as peace, righteousness, grace, power.

I watched EWTN and a priest said it best. He said that we live in his dominion and every part of us not given under his dominion does not have the victory of the kingdom.

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Re: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Unrighteous Won't Inherit Kingdom
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 09:56:26 PM »
This verse is usually interpreted like the one in which Jesus says that one comes to the Father, but thru Him.  Most folks understand it to mean that many never come to the Father, but what if all will go to the Father thru Jesus...eventually.  I think that is how us UR believers see it.

In the same manner, while it is true that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom, it is not correct to assume that some people will never inherit because they will never become righteous.  God, and His Bible did not say that, and the statement should be taken at face value, not with assumptions tacked on.  All will be made righteous...eventually...and inherit.  The inheritance rule will thus be upheld, just not in the way the carnal mind imagines.

Yeah this is how I see it. I don't believe the unrighteous can inherit the kingdom of God, because of what Jesus did. They must accept Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour and live righteosly. But for me this verse is talking about life in the present. i.e a unrighteous Christian lives as carnal and does not inherit the benefits of the kingdom, such as peace, righteousness, grace, power.

I watched EWTN and a priest said it best. He said that we live in his dominion and every part of us not given under his dominion does not have the victory of the kingdom.

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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2012, 09:57:35 PM »
[reply to thinktank]

Yes - that's an excellent way to see it, for we too often forget that the universe we life in is really God's kingdom, and that Satan is only a temporary pretender to the throne of it. 
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2012, 07:04:09 AM »
GKM said, "I believe that ALL will eventually enter the kingdom, but ONLY one way, by faith in Christ."

Exactly right GKM. So many non UR people suggest that we are saying everybody gets in no matter what. That's not what we are saying. We are saying,  "No person comes to the Father but through me."(Jesus speaking. So everyone will eventually trust in the shed blood of Jesus to cover their sins, if not in this life, then after death.

Personally, (back to the original post) The bible says that we(the saints deemed righteous by the blood of Christ) shall rule or reign with him(Christ) for an age. Who are we going to rule over? I think it will be the ones that did not bow the knee and acknowledge Jesus is Lord during their lifetime.  :2c:

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