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to make this point about 'hell'
« on: May 29, 2013, 04:29:39 AM »
 :hiya: hi!
To make this point I want to try to make about 'hell' i have to communicate a couple specific things about Bible prophecy, or namely the Bk of Rev.

The reason is two characters of the bk of rev are "thrown into the LOF" in chapter 19, verse 20, but they are not alive.. Now this is doubly a paradox for the Word actually says they are "thrown alive into the LOF, which burns with brimstone" (Ouch!)

These two are [1]the beast and [2]the false prophet by whose deception.. ..were deceived..

The beast here, I'm quite sure (imo, that is,lol) is the world beast or body/panel which is just that, an image to the beast, and a ten division panel that rules "one hour with the beast" (rev 13:1-10 as opposed to beast2, verses 11-18)

The false prophet/teacher/teaching is just that, a false teaching/belief/theory which turned western civilization on its ear.. it "went before the beast" preparing the way, and shows man that he is god/the higher or highest power - this false teaching carries within it, prophecy.. a different sort from the true Spirit of prophecy or prophet, as once again man  will look to the stars.. (I.e. 'evolution is getting more 'spiritual' with a developing theory of the earth being seeded by e.t's, not the kind of e.t.ers we know, rofl! as the "story" goes, YHWH is a usurper, it's the dragon 'gods' who are really high up on the evolutionary scale, and under them is the serpent guides, little lower than 'the gods'.. but I'm getting sidetracked!)

What I'm stumblingly trying to say, is these two are still "active" when 'seized' and thrown alive into the lake of fire, but they are not breathing nor alive entities, but one is a world governing and the other is a false belief system hence religion, but is the theory of evolution.. the false prophet began as a man, Darwin, but then went much farther than he did.. (a white smocked magician who also enabled 13:13)

People think of the false prophet as the same entity as the beast, and most don't see there are two 'beasts' of rev 13.. so all three are the same to many minds.. go back a few years and we can throw the harlot in there too.. all the same one.

My mind always goes back to this.. that it's a.. I can't think of the word.. not a paradox..
but up to this point and even beyond.. no living beings in the LOF.  :2c: :Chinscratch:
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Where does it say no repentance after death? being resurrected still in their sins (the 2nd) during age of Judgment, there's sure to be weeping and wailing & for those habitual despisers of God, gnashing of teeth--who may make their way to LOF
~Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process??
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The historist elements in the Bk of Rev shed light on the futurist! (Like13:13, same as, 6:12-17, but both  begin/historist & end/futurist r described here so early! a clever lock; & parts of ch12-hist; ch's 10,12,13 = inserts)
~imo we are at 7:1 a pause of 6:12/splitting of atom

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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2013, 07:10:35 PM »
:hiya: hi!
To make this point I want to try to make about 'hell' i have to communicate a couple specific things about Bible prophecy, or namely the Bk of Rev.

The reason is two characters of the bk of rev are "thrown into the LOF" in chapter 19, verse 20, but they are not alive.. Now this is doubly a paradox for the Word actually says they are "thrown alive into the LOF, which burns with brimstone" (Ouch!)

These two are [1]the beast and [2]the false prophet by whose deception.. ..were deceived..

The beast here, I'm quite sure (imo, that is,lol) is the world beast or body/panel which is just that, an image to the beast, and a ten division panel that rules "one hour with the beast" (rev 13:1-10 as opposed to beast2, verses 11-18)

The false prophet/teacher/teaching is just that, a false teaching/belief/theory which turned western civilization on its ear.. it "went before the beast" preparing the way, and shows man that he is god/the higher or highest power - this false teaching carries within it, prophecy.. a different sort from the true Spirit of prophecy or prophet, as once again man  will look to the stars.. (I.e. 'evolution is getting more 'spiritual' with a developing theory of the earth being seeded by e.t's, not the kind of e.t.ers we know, rofl! as the "story" goes, YHWH is a usurper, it's the dragon 'gods' who are really high up on the evolutionary scale, and under them is the serpent guides, little lower than 'the gods'.. but I'm getting sidetracked!)

What I'm stumblingly trying to say, is these two are still "active" when 'seized' and thrown alive into the lake of fire, but they are not breathing nor alive entities, but one is a world governing and the other is a false belief system hence religion, but is the theory of evolution.. the false prophet began as a man, Darwin, but then went much farther than he did.. (a white smocked magician who also enabled 13:13)

People think of the false prophet as the same entity as the beast, and most don't see there are two 'beasts' of rev 13.. so all three are the same to many minds.. go back a few years and we can throw the harlot in there too.. all the same one.

My mind always goes back to this.. that it's a.. I can't think of the word.. not a paradox..
but up to this point and even beyond.. no living beings in the LOF.  :2c: :Chinscratch:

Rev 20.15 [ESV]  "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
I understand this to say that anyone whose name is not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be thrown into the lake of fire, after the 2nd resurrection and judgement.  Respectfully, this seems to me to contradict what you said (bolded above).  How do you explain this?
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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2013, 10:52:46 PM »
I thought the Lake of Fire was for purification as dross from silver or Gold.
Sins are consumed where our God is a consuming (lake) of fire :Peace2:
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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2013, 06:10:26 AM »
I thought the Lake of Fire was for purification as dross from silver or Gold.
Sins are consumed where our God is a consuming (lake) of fire :Peace2:

Since the lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels, how does that fit?  Are we thinking that God is the lake of fire?

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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2013, 08:39:54 AM »
I do believe that the "all" of reconciliation includes the devil and his angels. Perhaps the lake of fire is symbolic of this process. :dontknow:
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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2013, 05:35:25 PM »
I do believe that the "all" of reconciliation includes the devil and his angels. Perhaps the lake of fire is symbolic of this process. :dontknow:

My FFV indicates that the Devil, the Beast and the False Prophet are in the fire for the ages of the ages - a long time to wait.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2013, 05:30:34 PM »
It is really a "pond" of fire(even so, The Lord God is the consuming Fire, and it is spiritual) and how ever long it is or takes, ALL will be subject to HIM. ALL must be consistent with ALL. Anything left out disqualifies an ALL.
1Co 15:25  for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet--
1Co 15:26  the last enemy is done away--death;
1Co 15:27  for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, it is evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,
1Co 15:28  and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.   :dsunny:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 04:58:18 PM »
It is really a "pond" of fire(even so, The Lord God is the consuming Fire, and it is spiritual) and how ever long it is or takes, ALL will be subject to HIM. ALL must be consistent with ALL. Anything left out disqualifies an ALL.
1Co 15:25  for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet--
1Co 15:26  the last enemy is done away--death;
1Co 15:27  for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, it is evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,
1Co 15:28  and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.   :dsunny:

Amen.  :banana:

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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2013, 05:46:02 PM »
He says, "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth." - Psalms 46:10

The word "Still" is "raphah"- (Strong's concordance). It means this: relax, let it go, be still, chill out, drop down, let it alone, be quiet, cut yourself some slack.

Its almost as if God's telling modern Christians to relax about the salvation of the world, God's got it under control.  :winkgrin:
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Re: to make this point about 'hell'
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 07:38:29 PM »
He says, "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth." - Psalms 46:10

The word "Still" is "raphah"- (Strong's concordance). It means this: relax, let it go, be still, chill out, drop down, let it alone, be quiet, cut yourself some slack.

Its almost as if God's telling modern Christians to relax about the salvation of the world, God's got it under control.  :winkgrin:

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