willieH: Hi PT...
Willi, you are blind and deaf to what I post because you have your own idea of the scriptures and think everything is spiritual, when first there is the earthly then the heavenly. You can not grasp that Eve is the mother of all. Adam is not the father of all'
Book, chapter & verse where this
is stated PT...
My perceptions of the Word of God, did not appear yesterday... I have been diligently studying and comparing the Word for 32+yrs.
You simply ignor what you do not understand. You constantly post references to the god of the old testament. What do you call him? YHVH?
You assume that any understanding OUTSIDE your own is a MISUNDERSTANDING. How foolish is this? I shall find correction by the Holy Spirit of GOD, not by dusty, dustprophet, peacetroll or any other name you ficklely and often propose to represent yourself and your fallacies.
I am willieH, always have been, always will be. I NEVER change my name, because I follow the ONE who NEVER CHANGES His... Do what you will, and believe what you will!
Because you THINK that I misunderstand, is the deduction of YOUR OPINION as compared to mine... which in itself is founded upon foolishness and ILLOGIC.
PAUL spoke of you and your present philosophy, dusty: (2 Cor 10:12)
I do not indicate you to be WRONG, I conclude you to be VEILED...
If you would study a little, you would find that the word "LORD" is translated from the Hebrew word for the name of the ALMIGHTY ...Y
... Ask any Rabbi who is far more dedicated to this premise, and far deeper into the HISTORY and TRANSLATION of this word and they shall give you the same representation YHVH
... The vowels within the letters YHVH
, are ENGLISH letters which have been inserted
... in order to facilitate PRONUNCIATION...
The GOD of the OLD TESTAMENT, named YHVH
is the Father of which JESUS
spoke as His own...
Who then gave the old testament on the mountain in gross darkness? What say the scriptures?
Name the verse, and you shall recieve an answer... dont make me do your work!
Galatians 3:19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
That SEED is planted in ALL MEN... human beings as previously noted by me, in the words KOSMOS and MAN (human beings)... which you continue to conveniently igonore...
Do you percieve LAW to be ABOLISHED dusty? Do you APPROVE of MURDER? Do you APPROVE of IDOL WORSHIP? Do you APPROVE of ADULTERY? Do you APPROVE of THEFT? COVETING? Worshiping OTHER GODS? Get a clue dude... LAW is the basis of RIGHTEOUSNESS... and is NOT DESTROYED, rather is PRACTICED and EXCEEDED BY and in RIGHTEOUSNESS... JESUS
didn't come here to DESTROY anything... He came to REDEEM...
EVIL and its by-products of SIN and DEATH, ...shall EVER serve ETERNALLY to GLORIFY the GOOD, LIFE and LOVE that shall be permeated within HIM in that REALM!
What do you think this whole thing is about man? Why do you think GOD has had His Children experience EVIL? For S & G? (shyts & giggles)
This is not a GAME dusty!
It is by the comparison of PAIN, suffering, death, darkness, sorrow, ...that the JOY of YHVH
is INFINITELY MAGINIFIED!
Who do the scriptures say that covenant was with?
Isaiah 28:14Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
You may stay on that god, and disregard what Christ, who disannulled that covenant by His death after fullfilling all the laws and statutes perfectly, proving that one a liar and murderer has to say,or ignor it as you will.
fulfilled the OLD COVENANT, did not DISANULL it! (disanull=cease to be)
In His own words: I have not come to DESTROY the law or the prophets. I am NOT COME to DESTROY, but FULFILL (Matt 5:17)
When my dad sent me to mow the lawn and I did as he commanded, I did not DESTROY His command... I FULFILLED it... I did not ABOLISH His will.. I submitted to it... I became the GOOD and BENEFIT which HE intended for the LAWN... along with HIS desire for ME to coincide with OBEDIENCE and RESPECT of Him and his position in my life... resulting in ALL things concerned as better for it...
Get a clue dusty... get a clue... look past your pride... which instructs me to read dialogue OUTSIDE the Scripture... and try peering into those Scriptures, yourself! Only this time do that "peering" with the EYES in your HEART, not the ones in your HEAD...CHRIST
showed that OLD COVENANT to be TRUE
and VALID by His walk upon the Earth... and brought to us the SPIRITUAL ENLARGEMENT which beforehand was WITHHELD... (from the JEWS)
Such as: Not ONLY shalt thou NOT KILL your brother, thou shalt not even be ANGRY with your brother... for if you are not ANGRY with him, you shall surely not EVEN
...Kill him (put him to DEATH)... rather, you shall seek HIM to be BLESSED, find PROSPERITY... and thrive in FULLNESS of LIFE
Again above, you herein assign me my beliefs
... Please... are you so brash and arrogant as to think you should or could note my heart?
or anything He said or did... I follow Him... You determine that your perception IS the Gospel and that WE should follow that which YOU propose...
The level of your audacity parallels the pinnacle and zenith of Babyon...
I could not find you more ridiculous and unfounded than you are... and have made you a deep subject of prayer. That GOD might lift the scales of delusion which presently VEIL your heart.
If you say you follow Christ, yet cling to that dead covenant and it's mediator who dwells in gross darkness, instead of Christ the Light, that is between you and Him.
Because I note the name of YHVH
who is the ONLY GOD... and ORIGINATOR of the Son, does not negate the NEW COVENANT dusty! Come on dude! The NEW CONVENANT is the NEW COVENANT of YHVH
... who NEVER CHANGES dusty! And who happens to be the GOD of JESUS CHRIST
WORD and DEED... was that of YHVH
! Or do you ignore the several NEW TESTAMENT notations where HE stated this? (John 5:30-31 / John 14:10 / John 5:19)
The answer as to whether I believe tares are human beings, yes they are totally carnal human beings, they have no inner man, or spirit from God, and they are not man as God
as God attributes a man to be. If you are a man to God, then when your body dies your spirit goes back to God who gave it.
What say the scriptures?
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Do you think Jesus thought His followers were going to expound the truth to actual dogs and swine??????
The UNCONVERTED and UNDRAWN Man, remains CARNAL until CONVERTED and DRAWN... What were YOU dusty, before you came to know JESUS CHRIST?
Were you a "MAN"? Can't be so according to your deductions, because you were CARNAL... through and through... however... CONVERSION is brought about by DRAWING... and until you were DRAWN, you were a DOG and SWINE... for you would without thought or care, TRAMPLE the "pearls" of those already DRAWN and CONVERTED... as SWINE as it were! Or DOG, you pick!
These apostels were talking about human beings and describing their state in relation to God.
One of which was once ...YOU... dusty! The state of UNBELIEF in which ALL are concluded (Rom 11:32)
Speaking to you is like speaking to the ET crowd, bud... though your perception of annhilation (which I am quite familiar with, as I was an SDA for almost 5yrs)... as I previously noted, makes GOD a DESTROYER, ...makes GOD a RESPECTER of PERSONS, ...makes GOD selectively MERCIFUL to some (for NO REASON) and UNMERCIFUL to MOST (again for NO REASON)!
And yet, ...you have yet to note to us, WHY ...YOU... are chosen to be a "wheat" above the MASSIVE poor and unfortunate "darnels"... and I will probably NEVER get an answer to that, because YOU shall continue to illogically, CENTER YOURSELF as elite WITHOUT REASON.
2 Peter 2:12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
In your quote, you MISS... that these are ...NATURAL... (not SPIRITUAL) brute beasts... And in the period that YOU were found in this category, ...you conveniently dismiss that period, thinking to be the EXCEPTION... gimme a break home boy!
You speak as a child, with LESS than SPIRITUAL knowledge... You are obviuosly intelligent and studied... but as the PHARISEES which preceeded you... you VAINLY propose YOURSELF as WHEAT, while demoting MOST to FIREWOOD.
13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Gosh dusty... you show you know less and less with each quote you post. For this is VANITY which is spoken of me bratha... In VAIN do you propose yourself as pure... while noting without CARE... the LIVING, breathing, and SALVATION NEEDING others to the FIRE... knowing NOT the compassion of JESUS CHRIST
which said, FATHER FORGIVE THEM for they KNOW NOT what they DO...
You are so easy to confound it is almost pathetic... but I treasure you as the child of YHVH
who you so easily DISRESPECT... and so easily DISMISS as the SAVIOR... placing faith in the MAN, and not the GOD behind the MAN... Wallowing in your fleshly and NATURAL perceptions, which gladly EMBRACE that which JESUS
FORGIVE your enemies... BLESS them that curse you... (Matt 5:44)
But your version of these words results in this: FORGIVE your enemies, BLESS them which curse you, ...and... THROW them in the FIRE as soon as you get the chance!
WHY would GOD demand we LOVE the tares dusty? If HE does not LOVE them?
What a HYPOCRITICAL proposition!
Jude 1:10But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
ALL men follow this trail to the cross bro... in this is contained the answer... these speak evil of those things which they KNOW NOT!
I hope someday, that the Father shall reveal the detour you have taken, and set your foot upon the GOSPEL of GOD... which is PEACE...
There is NO PEACE in violence dusty, which is the GOSPEL of ANNHILATION that you propose...