willieH: Hi PT...
Willie, how do you see Jesus Christ for giving these parables? As a bigot and liar (such were the Pharisee's accusations against Christ for these very statements)?
Did Jesus not say that there was wheat and there were tares? Did Jesus say that the Darnel or tares were two halves of one person? Or did he give a different exlpanation?
It is easy enough to verify;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The wicked one was ostensibly the planter of the tares, was he not? The tares are the 'children' or people of the wicked one, I seem to find Jesus' explanation satisfactory.
The word KOSMOS (#2889 - strongs) Translated WORLD above means creation
, in a wide or narrow sense, and/or ITS INHABITANTS
, are the "field" dusty... I
, am the "field"... ALL MEN are the "field" (earth)...
I am a songwriter brother dusty... Have been for over forty years... this is a talent given from above... The songs that I write, are CHILDREN of that TALENT... Offspring of the gift and talent of music, given me from above. (for which I am, btw, immensely thankful!
We are twofold beings brother... SPIRIT beings which are found to reside in SINFUL FLESH... and ALL deeds or moments of our lives in that SPIRIT and FLESH combination, are placed upon the ONLY FOUNDATION which exists... CHRIST
Here is the Scripture upon which this process is indicated: (1 Cor 3:11-15)
As we can CLEARLY SEE, ...ALL of
, ALL of us
(our total lives), ...is (moment by moment) placed upon (i.e. "building" - vs 12
) ...the ONLY
- vs 11
)... This foundation is a CONSUMING FIRE... and only that which emerges as OBEDIENCE shall abide that fire...
The WHEAT (gold, silver, precious stones) in each one, shall ABIDE the FIRE dusty... the TARES (wood, hay, stubble) in each one, shall NOT...
YET... in the process of the ELIMINATION of the TARES... even the ONE which shall find their WORK (lifetime) burned up, shall STILL be found SAVED ...BY
The "CHILDREN" of the WICKED one
are the DEEDS DONE by and for the NATURAL Man that exists in ALL of us... (wood, hay, stubble - FLAMMABLE) Destined for destruction... (these DISOBEDIENT or SINFUL deeds emerge from OUR
desires/will - James 1:14
The CHILDREN of the KINGDOM are DEEDS DONE in SUBMISSION to
the SPIRIT of CHRIST
(gold, silver, precious stones - INFLAMMABLE) Destined for GLORY (deeds done by and for, and emerging FROM, the SPIRIT of GOD which come from HEARING
, ...HIS WORD)
Now, did Jesus say what their fate was of the tares ('children' or people of the wicked one)????
You take SPIRITUAL WORDS (written PARABOLICLY) and draw NATURAL CONCLUSIONS... the TARES are not PEOPLE
... they are part (dishonorable) of their ESSENCE... as are the WHEAT (honorable).
39The enemy that sowed them (the 'children' or people) is the devil (the wicked one); the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
It is quite clear that the 'children' or people of the wicked one were planted on earth at the time the 'wheat' were planted. It is also fairly clear their final outcome is to be destroyed (burned, gone...outa here).
(adversity) does not bear "children or people"
... it is the BEHAVIORAL discrepancy which was created BY GOD within MEN, that they might DISOBEY the COMMAND of GOD, and thereby GAIN, the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL which was PART of what GOD DECLARED from the beginning (Is 46:10-11)
I think your biggest hurdle in understanding here is that you yet percieve "the devil" as a being
... It is a PRINCIPALITY or POWER which exists in ALL MEN... that being the "characteristic" or "talent" to DISOBEY the command of GOD...
The HEBREW Word SATAN
means ADVERSARY or ADVERSITY... There is no EXTERNAL being which is OMNIPRESENT (has to be in order to affect all men)... which "tempts" us to SIN... SIN emerges from WITHIN MEN... as is CLEARLY NOTED by James - (James 1:14)
NOT because some demented being that LURES us into DISOBEDIENCE!
The darnel or tares are from the wicked one (Satan), therefore they are not of the farmer who planted the wheat (God), Jesus indicated this fact many times;
John 8:46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
In other words the tares are not of God or...the farmer who planted the wheat!
John explained the wheat and the tares in his own way.
1 John 4:5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth (wheat or children of God), and the spirit of error. (tares or children of Satan)
Again dusty... He that HEARETH
... is the key... HEARING
the WORD of GOD, produces the CHILDREN of OBEDIENCE... GOD opens the EARS of those who "HEAR
" according to the chronology of His PURPOSE as it is revealed... that many do NOT "HEAR
" (or "see") is not of their own will, it is of the WILL of YHVH (Rom 11:25-26 / 32)
The "children" of the WORD of GOD, are offspring (behaviors/decisions, etc) which are produced by OBEDIENCE... due to the WORK of CHRIST
The "children" of man's NATURAL "talent" to DISOBEY, are the offspring of the Wicked ONE
which is the ADVERSE (satan) NATURAL (DISOBEDIENT) ONE
in each of us... in those YET to be CONVERTED!
GOD is NO RESPECTER of PERSONS dusty... Each of us has the same conditions present at our birth (concerning GOOD and EVIL), with GOD's WILL which IS DECLARED as our pathway... HE is SOVEREIGN and IN CONTROL of ALL THINGS... whether YOU desire to portray His agenda ILLOGICALLY or not...
It is ILLOGICAL to think of a GOD of LOVE who is the CREATOR of ALL THINGS, to have a plan for ANY created THING to find DESTRUCTION (obliteration) as its appointed destiny... This in itself, is contrary...
GOD is NOT
a DESTROYER dusty, ...He is a CREATOR! ADVERSITY
(satan) is the DESTROYER! And NO PART
Your view portrays GOD as a DESTROYER
... and is thereby confounded and divided by that descrepancy... As you endeavor to name "SATAN"
as "The DESTROYER", ...you NAME GOD, the SAME THING!
GOD is a DELIVERER... and ELIMINATION of ADVERSITY is the method of that DELIVERANCE...
(as you probably suppose) shall NOT be DESTROYED (obliterated to nothingness)... rather it shall ETERNALLY SERVE
to GLORIFY the LOVE of GOD... as it stands INERT
by the GLORIOUS DELIVERANCE of ALL, ...FROM IT
, by... Father YHVH
, and His Son JESUS CHRIST! (1 Cor 15:26)
PAUL notes the LAST ENEMY to be "destroyed
" is DEATH... and HOW is DEATH "destroyed" dusty? Glad you asked! BY RESURRECTION me bratha! For if EVERYTHING that DIED is made ALIVE, then DEATH... IS thereby
The word translated "DESTROYED
" in this verse is KATARGEO
(#2673 strongs) which means: to be ENTIRELY IDLE
, - Abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become of NO EFFECT, fail, loose, bring to NOUGHT, PUT AWAY, vanish AWAY, MAKE VOID...
This portrayal of the "DESTRUCTION" of death, is not some explosion
of sorts... it is a NEUTRALIZATION... EVIL which brings SIN which brings DEATH, shall be NEUTRALIZED to the GLORY of GOD and BENEFIT of ...ALL... dusty, not just you
... or others
who might as do you, ...think themselves as "wheat" while demoting MOST others to "darnel"...
Making GOD a RESPECTER of PERSONS... PARTIAL to one clump of dirt over another...