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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2007, 10:30:47 PM »
Awesome!  What a blessing for you, Kept!
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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2007, 11:07:10 PM »
Yes it was special. He called me one day from work and said listen to the song I just wrote and I cried all the way thru it!  :HeartThrob:

Thru out our married life he has written songs often without even knowing what exactly Im going thru spiritually that spoke so clearly for me. We truly are one flesh and more than one flesh for in the Spirit we are intertwined and find our gifts are influenced by one anothers journey.

I have a whole diary of songs from him that show my walk and its the most precious gift besides my daughter that he has given me


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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2007, 11:38:15 PM »
 :cloud9: That's awesome, Kept.....love to see the giftings in the body.... :thumbsup:
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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2007, 04:30:49 PM »

By the way folks that is my husband singing and he wrote that song for me before he even believed in ur when it was life in me but just perculating in him

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Kept: this song of your husbands has the anointing of heaven upon it.

http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/song.php

Many years ago when we first began to walk in the high things of the heavenlies of our God we had many songs born within our groups, hundreds of them. And before we could grasp the magnitude of the restitution of all things we were singing about it. "All God's sons are coming home, home to the Father, home to the Son, all God's sons are coming home. All creation is coming home, home to the Father, home to the Son, all creation is coming home."

Well, we are entering into that season when we can sing a song by Isaac Watts. In a pre-Christmas declaration lets sing together.....

No more sin,  no more sorrow Sing it HERE
In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2007, 04:00:09 PM »
The Lake of Fire & Brimstone

The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word "brimstone" or sulfur defines the character of the fire.

The word theion translated as "brimstone" is exactly the same word theion which means "divine." Sulfur was sacred to the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and to consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer's Iliad (16:228) one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone. The verb derived from theion is theioo, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god. (See Liddell & Scott Greek- English Lexicon, 1897 Edition)

Both theion and theioo are rooted firmly in Theos.

To any Greek, or to any trained in the Greek language, a "lake of fire and brimstone" would mean a "lake of divine purification." The idea of judgment need not be excluded (see chapter 10 on the judgments of God). Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning of the ancient Greek. In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out.

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"But at length, O God, wilt thou not cast Death and Hell into the lake of Fire—even into thine own consuming self? Death shall then die everlastingly, And Hell itself will pass away, And leave her dolorous mansions to the peering day." -George MacDonald-

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Rev. 9:17

"....Fire & Smoke and Deity"

Rev. 9:18

 "....out of the Fire & the Smoke & the Deity"

Rev. 14:10

 "And he will be examined (scrutinized with the touchstone to test his "metal") within Fire and Deity (Divine qualities) in the presence of (before; in the sight of) the set‑apart agents, and in the presence of (before) The Little Lamb."

Rev. 19:20

"....the two were cast (thrown) into the lake of the fire, the one continuously burning within [the] Deity.

Rev. 20:10

"...is cast (or: was thrown) into the lake of the Fire and Deity, "

Rev. 21:8

""But for the timid (cowardly) ones and for faithless ones (unbelieving ones) and for abominable ones (detestable ones) and for murderers, and for prostitutes and for sorcerers (enchanters; users of drugs) and for idolaters and for all the liars (the false ones): their portion [of the inheritance?] [is] within the lake continuously burning with Fire and Deity, which is the Second Death."

-Dr. Stephen Jones-

The lake of fire is portrayed in Scripture as the final place where the great Refiner sits to purify the hearts of men and prepare them to dwell in the divine presence in fellowship with God. This is the true purpose of the laver. At present only the true priests of God and of Christ (Rev. 20:6), that is, Christians in this present age, have access to that great laver. Even as the Levitical priests of the Old Testament purified themselves daily at the laver, so also are we baptized to signify that God has purified our hearts. In that final Age, the Lake of Fire shall be applied universally to those in need of purification. 





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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2007, 04:14:21 PM »
TY Finelinen, I will be sure and tell my husband how that song has blessed you as he really needs some encouragment in his life at this time! I appreciate all of your wonderful encouraging words.

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I very much would like to see ur musicians do a worship conference and do a recording so we could get all this great music on cd and available.

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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2007, 04:19:22 PM »
I very much would like to see ur musicians do a worship conference and do a recording so we could get all this great music on cd and available. Kept

 :cloud9: Wow, wouldn't that be something to hear and you know the anointing would be on it..... :thumbsup:
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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2007, 04:33:58 PM »
Those Glorious FireWalkers

If we may, we'd like to share a brief little thought with you. We believe it will be worth the time it takes to read it, in that it may help to reveal the purpose of God behind some of those increasingly difficult spiritual trials and testings with which you've been confronted of late. And perhaps it may answer the question why, in spite of your most ardent prayers for relief, they have not just gone away. Obviously, God has had a reason for their intensification!

Recently, the Lord spoke a word to my heart concerning a brother for whom we had been praying. It was a word which we felt was to be taken positively, as a form of encouragement. Moreover, in the course of the dealing, He made me to know that this word was not just applicable to this brother alone, but to ALL who have been called to conform to the glorious image of Christ. The Spirit said quite simply to me,

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I have determined to hold his feet to the fire, until they look like Mine.
 

Immediately following these words, John's description of the resurrected Christ in Rev. 11:5 came to mind...

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And His feet were like unto fine brass, as if they had been burned in a furnace...


The thought is almost frightening, isn't it?

Have you ever heard anyone use the age-old idiom of "holding one's feet to the fire"? What they meant by this was that they were going to keep the pressure on that individual, they were going to give him no rest, they were going to bear down upon him with such force and intensity, that he would finally assume his moral obligations, line up with their desired expectations, conform to a certain standard of conduct or consciousness, etc. It was another way of saying that they were not going to release that person from the heat of intense scrutiny and high expectation, until they saw a change in him.

Now, does this not describe how our Lord is dealing with all of His children in this hour? Yes, it is true that Jesus loves us just the way we are. And, yes, His love for us is unconditional.

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But aren't you glad that He loves us so much that He will not leave us in that condition? His highest desire for each of us is that we should ultimately look like Him; and He will go to any length to make this a reality. Therefore, He holds us in the fire, even when we kick, and scream, and think we've had enough. He knows just what it will take to achieve the objective. And He works incessantly toward that goal, in spite of our objections. He is settled with the idea that once we share His vision, then we shall understand why all this was necessary for our making!
 

There are several things we might mention about the appearance of Christ's feet. Firstly, John's description of them was never meant to be taken literally. This should be apparent, since he referred to them as being "like unto...". This shows plainly that he was speaking in a metaphorical sense. He was creating a word-picture in the minds of his readers...and what an excellent picture he gives!

Secondly, the mention of His feet speaks figuratively of His walk (which incorporates the consciousness, character, conversation, and conduct expressed or displayed in the sight of men and angels). It's another way of commenting on the expression of His life in general; the demonstration and exhibition of that life, as He makes contact with the earth (the realm of humanity).

Brass

As many of you know, brass, in biblical symbolism, represents judgment. This is seen by the fact that both the altar and the laver, in the outer court of Moses' tabernacle, were made of brass. And this, of course, was where the disobedience and defilements of the people were dealt with. Sacrifices were offered upon the brazen altar for the sins of the people; while the brazen laver was for the cleansing of the priests. Jesus was the fulfillment of both of these (as well as every other piece of furniture in the tabernacle), in that He took the judgment, and bore the sins of the whole world upon Himself at Calvary. He vicariously absorbed the penalty for all our transgressions, so that we would not have to! Praise God! Because of His virgin birth, because He came into this world without the sinful legacy with which others were born (Psa. 51:5), He did what no other human being was qualified to do. But besides that, has it ever occurred to you that Jesus, in order to remain eligible for His all-important role for lo, those thirty-three long years, had to be judged Himself? This is a fact that is worthy of consideration.

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Not only during those forty days and nights in the wilderness, but throughout His entire life, He had to be subjected to the extreme fires of testing, not as the Son of God, but as the Son of man, that He might be able to completely identify with mankind, and that He might perfectly fulfill His calling and election. He took the heat like a man, in order that we might become the sons of God!
 

Burned= Glowed

While I was reading over this passage from Rev. I :15, I noticed something conveyed in the original Greek which is almost overlooked when read only from the Authorized version. There is a condition described here which plainly reveals God's ultimate, eternal purpose for holding, not only Christ's feet to the fire, but ours, as well. The word, "burned", as is used in the King James translation, should more accurately be rendered, "glowed" (this is the way it appears in the Greek New Testament). Is there a difference? Most assuredly there is!

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We know that in order for something to burn, it's composition must be of a combustible nature. But for something to glow (perpetually), it must be of a more enduring substance.
 

Now, both burning and glowing are responses to the fire. And for a short duration, even that which is in the process of being burned may emanate a momentary glow (much the same way a "falling star" shines temporarily, until it burns out). But we know that in the fulness of time, the fire will at length reveal the true constitution of a thing. Beloved, it is an undeniable fact: the fire cannot be fooled! If the substance is ignitable, it will eventually be reduced to ashes. But if it is not, then it will simply be refined to the highest degree of purity. The fire makes manifest the basic make-up of the material, and openly declares its consistency for all the world to see.

Feet Like Fine Brass

Looking again unto Jesus, our Author and Finisher who gives us faith, we see that when our Lord trod upon this earth, He gave us the perfect example of what it's like to have "feet like unto fine brass". Why, He was the greatest "firewalker" that ever lived! For centuries, men in various parts of the world have mystified multitudes of spectators, by walking (or, at least, creating the illusion of walking) upon hot, glowing coals of fire. In fact, in some cultures, a walk among the fiery embers was even required of those who had hopes of being initiated into the ranks of their priesthood. It was looked upon as an act of moral purification.

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But without fear of contradiction, we can boldly declare unto you that no one ever did it quite like Jesus! You see, He encountered all the trials and temptations common to mankind. He was faced with the same kind of pressures wherewith each of us are familiar. There was no area of His life which escaped the all-searching flame; in no thing was He spared.
 

In fact, we are persuaded that the pressures He encountered were more intense than what any of us might even imagine at this time! Many years ago, the question was posed by wise old Solomon, "Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned?" (Prov. 6:28). The answer, up until that time, was a resounding NO! Every man (or woman) who had ever passed through the fiery path of fleshly lusts, trials, or temptations had always come out with "charred feet", so to speak, in one form or another. Every one of them had "flammable" elements in their "soles"; that is, elements which responded poorly to the heat! Oh, they might have been victorious in one situation, only to turn around, and find themselves "flame-broiled" in another form of testing over which they had no power. We know this to be true, because according to the divine Record, "ALL have sinned (missed the mark), and come short of the glory of God." But when Jesus stepped forth on the human scene, He bore an entirely different testimony. We read that He "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" (Heb. 4:15)! It mattered not whether He was being tempted with one of the common sensual allurements which appeal to the natural appetites in man, or whether He was being led along the fiery pathway which passed by the house of that "great harlot", religious Babylon, whose sweet, seductive influences had slain many strong men (Prov. 7:26, 27). Regardless of whether He was walking through one of those challenging natural circumstances, which is generally of a frustrating nature (which had the potential of causing Him to "lose His cool", so to speak), or whether He was being forced to pass through the flaming words and false accusations of His chief critics (whose tongues set on fire the course of nature, being set on fire of hell; James 3:6). ..He always did what was right. And He calmly kept His composure.

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No matter how hot "the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire" made them (Isa. 54:16), and no matter how intense the heat became under His feet, there was absolutely nothing in Him that would ignite! Much to the devil's dismay, Jesus simply would not burn! The flame would not kindle upon Him! Why, He wouldn't even blister! In fact, the hotter the adversary made the trial, the more fervently Christ's feet "glowed"! He radiated with such an intense purity, such indescribable peace, such absolute discipline and self-control, the multitudes were absolutely astonished by Him.
 

They could not help but admire this Man's walk! It was totally above reproach! Ah, beloved, we believe that it was because of this very thing that He had such influence with the people. They understood that what He taught them, He had first walked out Himself. He not only instructed them in the overcoming life; He demonstrated what it was like to have power over the fire! That made all the difference in the world!

The Lord Of The Fire

The question might be asked: how was it that Christ was able to walk through the midst of such tremendous fires, and remain unsinged? How did He keep from being completely overwhelmed by them? We believe that one of the main reasons was that He stayed focused in the heavenlies. He kept His eye on the Lord of the fire, instead of looking at the fire itself. You see, while His feet were walking out the purposes of God in the earth, His head was in the heavens (John 3:31). He was not the least bit overwhelmed by the fire, because He understood it's origin. He knew from whence it came! We read that "His eyes were like a flame of fire", which, among other things, could be taken to mean that He had a vision of the fire; He knew and understood it's purpose in His life. Unlike Peter, who, while walking on the water took his eyes off the Lord, and filled them with the wind and waves (thus allowing those agitated waters to engulf him), Christ always stayed above the fire, by beholding the presence of the Father in the midst of it. This was reflected in His eyes! (Furthermore, He understood that satan only operated God's "bellows"; which is to say, the power which he had to "heat up" the coals in the fire was first given to him by God; Rom. 13:1, Job 1:6-12)! This enabled our Lord to walk in full assurance of faith through the most challenging, tempting, and life threatening circumstances ever encountered by man, without flinching, and without being distracted from His goal. He was kept in perfect peace, because His mind was stayed on Him (Isa. 26:3)!

Eyes Like His: Feet Like His

Beloved, what was true of Him can also be true of us. We can have eyes like His; which will, in turn, enable us to have feet like His. This walk is available to us today! We read in I Corinthians 10:13 that "there hath no temptation (trial, testing) taken you, but such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted (tried, tested) above that ye are able: but will with the temptation also make a way of escape, that ye may be able to bear it".

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The key-operative line in this passage is that God is faithful. He is in control. He will not allow us to be tested beyond our ability to endure (and, mind you, none of us are going through anything that has not been faced to some degree or another by someone before us). Our God can be trusted in this! He knows our limitations better than we; and when we have reached those limits, He makes a way of escape, that we might bear some more!
 

It should be pointed out that His way is not an evacuation from the fire, or around the fire; it is a way through it! And through it we shall go, until finally we emerge on the other side of our great tribulation, bearing His victorious testimony of peace which passeth understanding!

This is the destiny of all those who yield themselves unreservedly to the Lord. Even now, the feet of God's king-priestly company of "firewalkers" are being conditioned in the flames of fiery trials and daily tribulation. And even as we speak, a bed of coals heated "seven times hotter" than in any previous generation is being prepared! The stage is being set; the world will be watching. What a breathtaking sight this will be!

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We need not fear, however, for once He has consumed everything in us that can be burned, and refined the metal of our inner nature to its highest degree of purity, then, regardless of the temperature, we will simply "glow" all the more with the glory of God.
 

Isn't this our real purpose in life, anyway? You see, at such a time, we trust that God will have already taken "the burn" out of the fire for us. And by then, there will be nothing there to threaten us, to make us afraid! (The fire is an enemy to us only so long as there are things in us that respond negatively to it, or as long as there are things that we are afraid of losing to it. But when we truly get victory over it, it will not matter! The sufferings of this present time, or any time in the future, for that matter, are certainly not worthy to be compared to the glory which shall be revealed in us)! As did our Lord Jesus, we, too, will "glorify the Lord in the fires" by walking in a way that magnifies and radiates His holy name (nature) to the rest of creation. As a prophetic confirmation to these thoughts, Isa. 43:1-2 says, "Fear not; for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; THOU ART MINE... when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee". Praise God for the hope of His calling! As we become victorious over every Adamic tendency in us now, we will then be able to stand calmly and triumphantly with the Lamb on a "sea of glass" (which speaks of a transparent walk, having nothing to hide or be embarrassed of) "mingled with fire" (Rev. 15)! Then it shall be said by the inhabitants of the world, "How beautiful are the feet of Him... and how beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things" (Isa. 52:7; Rom. 10:15)! Our feet will glow like His! Hallelujah!

-Terry Crisp-

In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2009, 03:32:54 AM »
Is it not strange the long seasons that can elapse on the back-side of the desert? Year by year falls into the great abyss, and at the juncture where we can no longer speak, and the great struggle to do the will of God vanishes into weakness and death, the Bush appears pulsating with Deity. It is there at the asamuth of death and weakness the Living One speaks.

"Take off your shoes from off your feet!"

Holy ground! The place where dust and Divinity meet! It is there in absolute weakness and inability, the Lord manifests Himself as the God that raises the dead. The road into the Tree of Life is by way of the flaming swords swirling in every direction. Those who reach for the Tree will suffer the loss of the hand, the fingers, the grasp of all they are! And as the process of the swirling swords of Fire rage upon these ones, great loss is inflicted, for nothing, no one, comes to the other side the same as it enters...Nothing! nothing! nothing!

The great stages of the Living One's glory must be by degrees of doxa. We are changed from one degree of glory to another and another and another! It requires a thought process in the mind of the caterpillar that ultimately leads to the building of a cocoon from which caterpillars become flying objects of grandeur. Yes, caterpillars become butterflies, and dust moves from one road of life into the Divine One, described as "the Living", the "I AM", not the I was, the "I AM."

It is this Heavenly Road that has grasped us, the Heavenly One, the Source leading to the Road, the sustaining Guide of the Road, and the Goal of the Road. All things lead to Him, through Him and for Him! And by Him all things consist. It has taken me over 60 years to go a journey that could have been accomplished in 11 days, but dust and Divinity must meet, the goal is not all the story, the path is of equal value in the I AM! Each of us are on different stages of our Father's drawing hand, some so wrapped up in themselves they cannot see the bush that is aflame and is not devoured. It is just a common bush for many, but

"Earth's crammed with heaven, and every common bush afire with God; and only he who sees takes off his shoes."
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In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2009, 06:04:37 PM »

Thank you FineLinen, I really needed this message today.  :thumbsup:  :bgdance:   :girlheart: :happy3:

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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2009, 06:08:37 PM »
 :cloud9: Amen....
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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2009, 08:01:28 PM »

Thank you FineLinen, I really needed this message today.  :thumbsup:  :bgdance:   :girlheart: :happy3:

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My dear Charlotte: you and your son continue to be in my prayers to Father.

As you know the Fire of God is an aspect of His purposes that were quickened to F.L. over 20 years ago when I was working on a nasty job behind a concrete saw....dust, dirt, water spraying over my shoes and pants, in our work for C.N.N. (among others), building satellite earth stations around this terrestial ball.

My friend, and former boss, had a sweet mother who possessed not one nasty bone in her body. But she believed our Father's word indicates one either turns to Christ in this lifetime or, well, she is a wonderful Southern Baptist. My friend was hammering on poor Mrs. Hall, and I sat simply listening to the conversation over to the side of the room.

It was the next day, as I worked thinking of what had been said, the Presence began to sweep over me, around me: the Presence I knew I could not dismiss. And in that awfully fearful day, my heart was overwhelmed with six words I had never heard before, never considered. Panic gripped my heart and spirit....David you are going mad! I vowed in that moment that I would never ever disclose what the Living One had broken upon me that day, but alas, the years went by, and I became aware of George MacDonald who had written what the Lord showed me 150 years later. If you can round up the Unspoken Sermons, and the Consuming Fire, and reach down to the last 3 paragraphs you can behold why I feel like I do. God bless you and yours my dear!
In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2009, 11:39:04 AM »
The way for all is through the fires, for fire is the great uniter and reconciler of all things; and things which without fire can never be united, in and through the fire are changed and become one.

 Therefore every coming of Christ, even in grace, is a day of judgment. Therefore there are fires even for the elect both now (1 Pet. 1:7; 4:12), and in the coming day (1 Cor. 3:13-15); for "our God is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29); and to dwell in Him we must have a life, which, because it is of the fire, for fire burns not fire, can stand unhurt in it.

Therefore our Lord "came to cast fire into the earth," and desired nothing more than "that it should be already kindled" (Luke 12:49); therefore He says,

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Every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt (Mark 9:49).

 For this is the very "baptism of the Holy Ghost and fire" (Matt. 3:11), that "spirit of judgment and of burning," promised by the prophet, "with which the Lord shall purge away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and cleanse the blood of Jerusalem; after which He will create on every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and on all her assemblies, a cloud of smoke by day, and the brightness of a flame of fire by night; and upon all, the glory shall be a defence" (Isa. 4:4-5); for "He is like a refiner's fire, and like to fuller's soap; and He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and He shall purify the sons of Levi as gold and silver are purged, that they may offer to the Lord an offering of righteousness" (Mal. 3:3).

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 Luther's well-known words are to the purpose here, for though originally written by him as a test of prophets, they are no less true in their measure of all who are taught of God:—"Quaerendum num experti sunt spirituales illas angustias, et nativitates divinas, mortesque, infernosque. Si audieris blanda, tranquilla, devota, (ut vocant,) et religiosa, etiamsi in tertium coelum sese raptos dicant, non approbabis. Quia signum Filii Hominis deest, qui est Basanos, probator unicus Christianorum, et certus spirituum discretor. Vis scire locum, tempus, modum, colloquiorum divinorum. Audi:—'Sicut leo contrivit ossa mea,' et 'Projectus sum a facie oculorum tuorum:' 'Repleta est malis anima mea, et vita mea inferno appropinquavit.' Tenta ergo, et ne Jesum quidem audias gloriosum, ni videris prius crucifixum."—Epist. lib. ii. p. 42.)

And as by the hidden fire of this present life, shut up in these bodies of corruption, we are able by the wondrous chemistry of nature through corruption to change the fruits and flesh of the earth into our blood, and from blood again into our flesh and bone and sinew; so by the fire of God can we be changed, and made partakers of Christ's flesh and blood. In and through Christ we have received this transmutation (Rom. 5:11; τὴν καταλλαγήν); and through His Spirit, which is fire, is this same change accomplished in us.

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It is surely a significant fact, that the two words, תמם and כלה, used in Hebrew to express destruction, signify also, and are used to express, perfection; and that the word for a sacrifice by fire, אשה, is the same as that for a bride or wife; e.g. Numb. 28:6.

By this double sense a veil covers the letter, veiling yet revealing God's purpose; for His purpose to the creature is through destruction to perfect it, and by fire to make it a bride unto the Lord. For a kindred reason some of the angels are called Seraphim, that is burning ones; for like the Lord, whose throne is flames of fire, (Dan. 7:9-10,) they also are as fire; as it is written, "He maketh His angels spirits, His messengers a flame of fire." Heb. 1:7, and Psalm 104:4.)

And as with the first-fruits, so with the harvest.

The world to be saved must some day know the same baptism. For "the Lord will come with fire," and "by fire and by His sword will He plead with all flesh, and the slain of the Lord shall be many" (Isa. 66:15-16). The promised baptism or outpouring of the Spirit must be judgment, for the Spirit cannot be poured on man without consuming his flesh to quicken a better life; (Note: Isa. 40:7; and compare Rev. 8:6-7, which describes the effect produced by the breath or spirit of the Lord sounding through the trumpets of the heavenly sanctuary.) and "His sword, which cometh out of His mouth" (Rev. 19:13-15), is that Word, which kills to make alive again. God is indeed "a man of war" (Exod. 15:3); but His warfare and wrath, unlike the "wrath of man, which worketh not the righteousness of God" (James 1:20), works both righteousness and life, and is set forth in that "warfare of the service of the tabernacle" (See Numb. 4:23, 30; 8:24-25; margin: and compare 1 Tim. 1:18), by which that which was of the earth was made to ascend to God through fire a sweet sacrifice.

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In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #63 on: June 20, 2010, 08:26:58 PM »
in light of recent discussions, bumped this thread for anyone to at least take a look at it for review...
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Re: Our God= Fire
« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2013, 12:24:02 AM »
Much thanks to Michael Phillips

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It is commonly assumed that fire in Scripture is exclusively a symbol of destruction and judgment. But as George MacDonald makes repeatedly clear, fire is also used throughout Scripture as an image of purification. To understand the full imagery, we have to look at the whole picture. Because of sin's entry into the world, man's reconciliation with God necessarily involves a two-step process—a negative and a positive, a tearing down and a building up. Sin must be destroyed in the world and in us, so that we and the universe can be restored and become what God created us to be. As sinners, we must repent…so that we can grow into Christlikeness.
 
Restoration is always a process containing these two aspects. Throughout Scripture fire provides an image of both. God's judgment will indeed fall on sin…so that his creation may be purified, healed, and restored. The fire of judgment burns away dross, so that the fire of purification can produce gold.
 
The ultimate purpose of God's fire, therefore, is purposeful, chastening, and redemptive, not vengeful or punitive. Its aim is growth, redemption, and cleansing. Whatever punishment is involved points toward that ultimate redemption.
 
God's true perspective of the purpose of fire is found in the Old Testament prophets, rising to a climax in Malachi. There we see clearly that fire is always primarily a means of purification. We further note that it is not a purification reserved for sinners alone, but for God's people and priests.
 
The Old Testament prophets understood this purpose of fire:
 
"I will thoroughly purge away your dross and remove all your impurities. I have refined you…I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. (Isaiah 1:25; 48:10)
 
"This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold." (Zechariah 13:9)
 
"For he is like a refiner's fire and like fuller's soap; he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the Lord…For behold, the day comes, burning like an oven…the day that comes shall burn …But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings." (Malachi 3:2-3; 4:1-2)
 
Misunderstanding this principle, as did the Children of Israel at the foot of Sinai, much Christian theology has mistakenly interpreted the fire of Scripture as exclusively a vehicle of judgment and punishment. But this is wrong. God's purpose is not to punish sin, but to eradicate sin from his creation. In "Justice" MacDonald writes, "Primarily, God is not primarily bound to punish sin; he is bound to destroy sin."
 
Judgment and punishment may be required in the process, but they are not in themselves the objective nor the final result. And note this imperative point: The fire does not burn forever. Malachi's purifying fire burns until the sons of Levi present right offerings to the Lord…after which the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. In Scripture there is always something that follows the fire of judgment—healing.
 
The minor prophets are key in understanding the prophetic restoration that lies ahead. To grasp their message one must read their words on several levels, and perceive temporal, future, and eternal frames of reference.
 
A word like "forever," for example, might be used, and then be followed by a description of what will happen after that forever, as in a statement along the lines of, "I will punish my people Israel forever…until they repent of their sin and I restore them in the land I gave their fathers." This is the way the prophets wrote. Duration of time may mean something different than is obvious at first glance. Healing always follows judgment. "Forever" doesn't always mean literally forever.
 
In Malachi 3, after asking "who can endure the day of the Lord's coming," the prophet goes on, with that oft-used word that signals the shift from judgment to restoration, "Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness."
 
In Zephaniah 3, we see first judgment: "I have decided to assemble the nations…to pour out my wrath upon them—all my fierce anger. The whole world will be consumed by the fire of my jealous anger." But everything is not consumed, for the judgment is followed by healing: "Then I will purify the lips of the peoples that all of them may call on the name of the Lord." It is one more example of this "forever…until" progression.
 
Examples of this progression in the prophets are literally legion. Once you see it, the reconciliatory purposes of God begin jumping off the page everywhere you look. The ninth and final chapter of Amos is wonderfully illustrative. For ten verses Amos prophesies the destruction of Israel. Then he shifts to healing and restoration: "In that day I will restore…I will repair…and build…I will bring back my exiled people Israel…never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them."
 
Those who interpret such passages in the context of physical, temporal Israel, and the "land" as physical, temporal Palestine, have not yet begun to recognize the true high theme of prophecy in Scripture. God is here speaking through the prophets of the restoration not of temporal Israel alone, but of his entire creation! Once the fire has done its work, the season for healing has come.
 
From the failure to recognize this imperative progression, along with a subtle but damaging mistranslation of Matthew 25:46, a completely erroneous doctrine of hell has emerged that has miscolored the entire Christian message in the eyes of the world. It has caused most of Christ's Church to misunderstand the true purposes of God in the universe and in the heart of mankind.
 
How astonishing it is that Christians do not read the New Testament prophecies with the perspective of this scriptural progression, nor ask what wonderful healing and reconciliation will take place in Malachi's purifying furnace between Revelation 20:15 and 22:3. What comes after the lake of fire and the second death—God's defeat, or God's triumph in the hearts of the billions of souls of his creation?
 
God's eternal purpose is to bring his children home. Nothing will satisfy and fulfill his love but to see them pure and perfect as he is pure and perfect. So now it is time to ask how Malachi's furnace of purification actually works. What does the fire do to accomplish its cleansing? The fire of God's purification does not burn us, our essential being created in his image. That's why we need God's purifying fire. It burns away the parasites of sin that cling so close that they suffocate our true selves.
 
The purpose of fire in the economy of God is to purify the heart of saint and sinner alike. Recognizing the nature of the Lord's sacrifice (Not my will, but yours be done), we appropriate God's cleansing by making the same sacrifice. By obedience we make ourselves the executioner of our own sin. Sin will be eradicated from the universe by being eradicated from each individual human heart. The fire is not the enemy, but is the agent of God's work. We lay our self on God's altar, and then beseech him with all the desperate hunger of a will that desires to be pure, "Come, fire of God, and burn me clean!"
 
The fire in MacDonald's economy, however, is not merely for the burning out of sin. It is also the fire of light, the fire of God's love, the fire of comfort, the light of purity—what he calls "the fire-core of the universe." The child of God who desires to be pure and clean will thus welcome God's fire.
 
MacDonald writes: "The fire of God, which is his essential being, his love, his creative power, is a fire unlike its earthly symbol in this, that it is only at a distance it burns—that the farther from him, it burns the worse, and that when we…approach him, the burning begins to change to comfort." MacDonald amplifies his thoughts on the purifying nature of God's fire throughout his writings, most notably in the sermons entitled, "The Consuming Fire" and "The Fear of God."

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In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis