willieH: Hi readers...
I post an answer to Peacetroll here, but it is mainly for YOU... because he is UNWILLING and obviously incapable of answering
even though he condemns others for not answering
No surprises, you'll can't read or reason or answer anything posted to you.
Easily said of you... You NEVER answer
any questions directed to you... or anything posted to you.
This is easy for anyone to see, just REVIEW THIS THREAD, or any OTHER in which Peacetroll
You say nothing new and have no idea what scriptures really say, because to you your dogmas have much more credence than the words of Jesus Christ.
More hypocritical blab...
You are just unable to see that ONE portion of the WORD of GOD does not hold a higher position than another. (i.e. the "GOSPELS" were written under the "SAME INSPIRER" as were the Letters and books of the NT
, and prior to those, the entire OT
ALL the "Scripture" we have to research, is relegated to Translations done from Hebrew and Greek of COPIED
texts... the Original Gospels, and letters are unavailable to those that would TRANSLATE them... and thereby UNAVAILABLE to us...
The TRUTH is found by any RESEARCHER, within the harmony contained in those AVAILABLE texts, when the MOST scrutiny which can be applied to them, is done, via the leading of GOD...
This process is not done via Peacetroll or willieH! It is done via the INDIVIDUAL
...which dedicates itself to GOD, seeking Him dilgently with that ENTIRE
: (Jer 29:13-14)
John 14:8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Your observation remains in the NATURAL... for CHRIST
spoke both FROM and TO the SPIRIT... which is also WHY the Apostle PETER is not "satan" even though he was addressed as such... CHRIST
at times spoke from the position of YHVH
(Son of GOD/Word/ETERNAL) and at times from the position of Man (son of man/offspring/sacrifice/finite)... Of course you cannot through blind eyes see these things... rather in the tunnel vision of pride see yourself... as the SOLE viewer of truth, while all others "stumble around" in the dark, ...please!
John 16: 24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
will SHOW you... plainly OF the FATHER
... 2 entities mentioned here... "I" and the "Father"
I = SON of MAN which:
a. Is FINITE
b. Is able to be TEMPTED
c. Is subject to GOD
d. Is our brother human being
e. Is capable of DYING
f. Is the UNBLEMISHED and obedient (to YHVH
) sacrifice for Sin
the Father = YHVH
a. Is INFINITE
b. Cannot be TEMPTED and does not tempt.
c. Is OVER ALL
d. Is our CREATOR
e. Had to remove Himself from CHRIST
on the cross to enable Him to die
f. Throughout the life of CHRIST
was the "ALL" in the FIRSTBORN, that He is proposed to be in ALL at the conclusion of this process.
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Again dusty... 2 SEPARATE entities are here noted... He didn't "pray to Himself"...
John 14:13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Speaking above, as the WORD of GOD... not the son of man... get a clue...
John 20:27-29 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
This is the RESURRECTED CHRIST
... He is ASCENDED... and YHVH
is NOW (in the ETERNAL resurrected state) COMPLETELY invested IN Him, both in BODY and SPIRIT...
29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Prior to this portion of Scripture... CHRIST
deferred such commentary... for He resided in FLESH which could be TEMPTED to exalt itself... In this passage, He is in a body which IS RISEN... and in which "body" YHVH
What is the name of the Father?
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Well dusty? You conveniently LEAVE OUT the answer...
What answer did they (Peter) give to this question...
(1) What they (Peter) DID NOT
say: thou art the CHRIST, ...the LIVING GOD...
(2) What they (Peter) DID
say: thou art art the CHRIST, ...the SON, ...of... the LIVING GOD (Matt 16:16)
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which IS in heaven.
This is a TIME
notation, as was (John 8:58)
...both perspectives noted in the same NOTATION...(John 8:58) Before Abraham WAS
... I AMCHRIST
as the WORD, is an OMNIPRESENT entity... This notation is from TIME and
ETERNAL perspectives dusty... but is NOT impeded by TIME or its manifestations... ALL the Sons of men from the ETERNAL perspective ARE in Heaven, but FOLLOW the FIRST
In TIME no man
had ascended up to Heaven... but In ETERNITY, CHRIST
, the FIRST
BORN, IS there ETERNALLY.
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
This does not prove CHRIST
to be the Father... He is DECLARING the WAY of the FATHER in the flesh... which makes the INVISIBLE (Father), ...VISIBLE (via the son)... to those who have NEVER seen Him...
And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
I have shown who ever can hear the new name of God, from His own mouth. YHVH all you wish. The folling will still happen.
is pitiful dusty...
the "name" JESUS CHRIST
because of YHVH's
statements in the Old Testament SCRIPTURES means "YHVH
Saves"... GOD Never CHANGED His NAME...
the GREATEST portion of it to those whom He has enables ONE by ONE, to see it: SAVIOR... It is NEW to those who have not seen it... it is REVEALED, not invented, created and, ...especially NOT "RE
-CREATED"... (as you propose below)
In the OT GOD (YHVH
) says this: (Is 43:11) I, [even] I [am], YHVH... and beside ME, [there is] ...NO... SAVIOR...
2nd witness: The very same statement is made in (Hosea 13:4
The "man" JESUS CHRIST
did not SAVE us dusty... YHVH
God ...IN and THROUGH... JESUS CHRIST
, did this... you so easily and arrogantly DISRESPECT the HOLY name of GOD... I find deep pity for you in this... CHRIST
is the MEDIATOR ( substitute) and ADVOCATE (lawyer) between
GOD... (1 Tim 2:5 / 1 John 2:1)
He stands between us and GOD with
His PERFECT life, and states to YHVH
, that HIS OBEDIENT
sacrifice was made, and STANDS FOR, ...each individual presented before YHVH
which is openly shown to have been, DISOBEDIENT
He is that which is presented to cover ALL which has been done OUTSIDE the commanded
WILL of YHVH
Zechariah 14:8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
And that name is all of the Adamic race. One as Jesus said, in the Father. MAN.
Jesus Christ, the human being, was the first of many bretheren, Man, the beginning of the creation of God. God recreating Himself.
What a crock! You state that GOD who claims to NEVER CHANGE, does exactly that!
RECREATING Himself??? :omg: What a load of BS!
You must be filled with new wine dusty!
That which is PERFECT, is NOT in NEED of CHANGE, nor is in NEED of RE-CREATION!
What He in fact DOES is REVEAL
... what is ALREADY (eternally) THERE
You note the following verse from the REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST
... (which means the "REVEALING" of JESUS CHRIST
) Something that is REVEALED is ALREADY there bud...
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
That which is "ETERNAL" needs no "creation" or "recreation", ...IT already IS
The "creation" we find ourselves within, is a "TIME" classroom, in which the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL is being taught... It has a BEGINNING, and an ENDING... Once the "lesson" is over, the "classroom" is become unecessary...peAce