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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2008, 06:06:09 AM »

 :sigh:My effort is to tell the truth, with scriptures, to people who profess to want to know the truth.  It is good news to all who are of God the Light.  Terrible news to those who are not.  They hate the truth, for it exposes them for what they are.
 


I really am not concerned with why you do anything, anything you do is allowed by God and that goes for all existance.  We have to accept the good with the bad as necessary.   You draw out more points of view supporting UR than if you didn't post.   You actually are helping spread the Good News of universal salvation for ALL men which is the only real Truth of Scripture. 


Jn 6:44 No one can come to Me if ever the Father Who sends Me should not be drawing him. And I shall be raising him in the last day.


No one means everyone.



1Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


If ANY Mans,  that means everyone in this context.  And what is the context,  context must be scripture, not opinion.

This is the context

1Corinthians 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?


Suffering loss,  What loss will the Carnal man suffer?  He will suffer that all he has believed was wrong.   He will suffer that the God he worshipped was not the True God.    No one who exists cannot learn the many things he believes is wrong without suffering. 

Some may, but in general the Universal Salvation position does not deny Judgment of some kind.

"He himself shall be saved"   The ones who do not really want the truth will deny that God has the power and the will to save everyone because then they have to SUFFER THE LOSS to learn that they are no better than who they view as the lowest scum on earth.  The same scum who God loves so dearly you can't even utter a word to describe it.


The Good news is that Jesus Christ is the Savior of ALL men and he is very good at what he does.   And any point of view that is presented that is said to mean that Jesus Christ will not succeed at his purpose predestined by the Father,  is a lie and the scripture used is not understood.







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laren

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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2008, 06:50:04 AM »
Hi PT,

as I try to understand your doctrine, this still throws me for a curve.  I realize I haven't given u much time since i asked this, but i didn't want my question to get lost in the subsequent posts.


My understanding of what u said, is that in Adam all will be made alive.  All descendants from Adam.  You say that Cain was not a descendant from Adam, as he was the son of satan and eve.  So all the children of satan will be destroyed at the end of the age.


but yet, in your previous post; with multiple scriptures pointing to the destruction of the vessels fitted for destruction, you included this verse:

Galatians 4:30
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

yet, the lineage of the son of the bondwoman goes to his Father Abraham, and Abraham goes all the way back to Adam does it not??   so it seems to me, the son of the bondwoman, will be cast out, but is not consistent with your view of "the sons of satan"?? 


can you explain to me how you reconcile this?? 



thanks

Laren

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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2008, 07:34:55 AM »
8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

 9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

 10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

 12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

 13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

 14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

 15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

 16Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

--Eph 5



25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

 26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

 27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.


--Matthew 10



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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2008, 08:05:13 PM »
Psalm 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

Proverbs 11:21
Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.

Isaiah 57
 1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.  

2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.

 3But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore.

 4Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood.


When did this happen?

Matthew 27:39And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,

 40And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

 41Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,

 42He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

 43He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

 44The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.


Jesus told us who these people were. The tares He spoke so often of. Not of God the Father.
John 8:41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
 He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Paul Hazelwood

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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2008, 08:52:44 PM »
Psalm 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.



Yes, the seed is.  But how, and what is the result?


"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one UNTO SATAN for DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Cor. 5:4-5).



Interesting the contrast between the false theology of a separate breed of beings and the ultimate purpose of Satan to begin with directly from scripture.



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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2008, 09:23:52 PM »
Hi PT,

as I try to understand your doctrine, this still throws me for a curve.  I realize I haven't given u much time since i asked this, but i didn't want my question to get lost in the subsequent posts.


My understanding of what u said, is that in Adam all will be made alive.  All descendants from Adam.  You say that Cain was not a descendant from Adam, as he was the son of satan and eve.  So all the children of satan will be destroyed at the end of the age.


but yet, in your previous post; with multiple scriptures pointing to the destruction of the vessels fitted for destruction, you included this verse:

Galatians 4:30
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

yet, the lineage of the son of the bondwoman goes to his Father Abraham, and Abraham goes all the way back to Adam does it not??   so it seems to me, the son of the bondwoman, will be cast out, but is not consistent with your view of "the sons of satan"?? 


can you explain to me how you reconcile this?? 



thanks

Laren

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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2008, 11:14:25 PM »
The son of the bond woman has a specific meaning, as Paul said.

Galatians 4:25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Why is the Jerusalem from above free?

John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 As David said.

Psalm 119:45And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

 46I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.




Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2008, 11:42:32 PM »
The son of the bond woman has a specific meaning, as Paul said.

Galatians 4:25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

 26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Why is the Jerusalem from above free?

John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 As David said.

Psalm 119:45And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

 46I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.






but who is the son of the bondwomans dad??

Abraham had two sons.

and  can his lineage be traced to Adam??


In Adam, all die, and In Christ, those all who were in Adam will be made alive.  Even you admit this, right??

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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2008, 12:40:14 AM »
Laren,

In Christ all shall be made alive. 

laren

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Re: The Sheep & The Goats Of St. Matt. 25
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2008, 01:09:19 AM »
Laren,

In Christ all shall be made alive. 

AMEN,

i'll go correct the previous post.   :grin: :grin:
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