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Rich man and Lazarus (again)

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fullarmor2:
I have something to talk about regarding the scriptures dealing with the parable or story.  I was just reading that in Jewish theology, just prior to and during the time of Jesus' earthly ministry,  they believed and taught that the place of the dead was divided into two sections.  One for the righteous and referred to as Abraham's bosom. And the other for the unrighteous.  This is what they thought Sheol was.   And not unlike what many religious folks think today regarding the Greek equivalent of  Hades, which many think is a place of punishment.  Its interesting how that Sheol was divided into two sections as opposed to the way Hades is now understood as only one place.   An inconsistency I think.  Anyway,  my point is, I'm thinking about the possibility that Jesus when he mentioned the story of Lazarus and the rich man, that Jesus was simply referring to the Jew's theology regarding Sheol.  It doesn't mean it was correct theology. Jesus may have simply referred to their false belief about Sheol for some reason.   Because as we now know, Sheol and Hades  mean the grave or unseen.  So my point is that  that story, or the theology behind the story didn't originate with Jesus. Jesus was simply referring to a belief that the Jews already had at the time, even if it was a false doctrine.  Which it is, if you believe that people are in an unconscious state in the grave, awaiting resurrection. Not to mention if you don't believe in a place of torment.   But why would Jesus refer to a false doctrine is what I'm wondering?   Any thoughts?   

fullarmor2:
I was just thinking that perhaps Jesus was using the Jewish false belief about Sheol to illustrate his own teaching and warnings regarding the coming judgment against Israel.  A real possibility I think!

WhiteWings:
"....tormented in this flame...."

Flame ---> Fiery law ---> choked to death by 613 laws?

sheila:
  THE LAW WAS A TUTOR TO LEAD US TO CHRIST...OUR SAVIOUR.........

   MY POV  THE RICH MAN THAT LIVED IN SHAMELESS LUXURY WAS SATAN THAT TOOK OVER THE DOMINION

  OF THE EARTH[ALL THESE KINGDOMS I WILL GIVE TO YOU FOR ONE ACT OF WORSHIP]

   CHRIST THOUGH HE WAS RICH AS HEIR OF THE WHOLE CREATION..MADE HIMSELF POOR FOR OUR SAKES

    THE POOR MAN SIGNIFIED THE SONS OF aDAM WHO HAD BEEN MADE POOR BY THE ROBBER,THEIF AND

    KILLER  SATAN...jESUS WAS  SHOWING THAT WHEN MEN DIED THE WERE CARRIED TO THE BOSOM OF

  FATHER.......SATAN AS THE RICH MAN..HAD FIVE BROTHERS=OFFSPRING OF VIPERS   JESUS REPLY THAT

 THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS

 LET THEM LISTEN TO THEM= SATAN  USING THE LAW AND WORD OF GOD/PROPHETS TO KILL /CONDEMN

  MANKIND[SINS LAW]  FOR JESUS SAID 'THE COMMANDMENT WAS UNTO LIFE"  NOT DEATH AS

  SATAN USED IT FOR....AND AS SUCH GRACE WOULD NOT BE EXTENDED TO THEM...FOR AS THEY HAD

  JUDGED MEN[AS UNWORTHY OF LIFE] SO TOO..THEY WOULD RECEIVE THAT JUDGEMENT...

   YOU SEE..LET NO MAN EVER THINK THAT WHEN HE IS TEMPTED THAT HE IS TEMPTED OF GOD

     jESUS TOLD THE RICH MAN..THAT IF THEY DO NOT LISTEN TO MOSES AND THE PROPHETS

   [WHICH LEAD TO CHRIST]  THEY WOULD NOT BE CONVINCED EVEN IF SOMEONE RAISES THE DEAD

    WHICH IS CHRIST...THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD[I AM THE RESURRECTION]

   

micah7:9:
Please. :sigh:

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