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Rich man and Lazarus (again)

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sheila:
 there is light in that post Brian.

   Abraham=God...Father of a multitude[isreal/gentiles]...Lazarus= Jesus  who suffered on earth.. firstborn of dead

  resurrected to bosom position[and all mankind that suffered because of evil]

  rich man satan[did you come to torment us before the time}

   water for tongue=waters of eternal life

sheila:
  one more thing.......law= sin entered when we disobeyed[Moses and prophets]..offspring of vipers

  judge law[sit in Moses seat/sins law]  like to place heavy burdens on men impossible to bear..

  and are not willing to lift their little finger

Illuin:

--- Quote from: sheila on September 28, 2012, 12:49:28 AM ---  THE LAW WAS A TUTOR TO LEAD US TO CHRIST...OUR SAVIOUR.........

   MY POV  THE RICH MAN THAT LIVED IN SHAMELESS LUXURY WAS SATAN THAT TOOK OVER THE DOMINION

  OF THE EARTH[ALL THESE KINGDOMS I WILL GIVE TO YOU FOR ONE ACT OF WORSHIP]

   CHRIST THOUGH HE WAS RICH AS HEIR OF THE WHOLE CREATION..MADE HIMSELF POOR FOR OUR SAKES

    THE POOR MAN SIGNIFIED THE SONS OF aDAM WHO HAD BEEN MADE POOR BY THE ROBBER,THEIF AND

    KILLER  SATAN...jESUS WAS  SHOWING THAT WHEN MEN DIED THE WERE CARRIED TO THE BOSOM OF

  FATHER.......SATAN AS THE RICH MAN..HAD FIVE BROTHERS=OFFSPRING OF VIPERS   JESUS REPLY THAT

 THEY HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS

 LET THEM LISTEN TO THEM= SATAN  USING THE LAW AND WORD OF GOD/PROPHETS TO KILL /CONDEMN

  MANKIND[SINS LAW]  FOR JESUS SAID 'THE COMMANDMENT WAS UNTO LIFE"  NOT DEATH AS

  SATAN USED IT FOR....AND AS SUCH GRACE WOULD NOT BE EXTENDED TO THEM...FOR AS THEY HAD

  JUDGED MEN[AS UNWORTHY OF LIFE] SO TOO..THEY WOULD RECEIVE THAT JUDGEMENT...

   YOU SEE..LET NO MAN EVER THINK THAT WHEN HE IS TEMPTED THAT HE IS TEMPTED OF GOD

     jESUS TOLD THE RICH MAN..THAT IF THEY DO NOT LISTEN TO MOSES AND THE PROPHETS

   [WHICH LEAD TO CHRIST]  THEY WOULD NOT BE CONVINCED EVEN IF SOMEONE RAISES THE DEAD

    WHICH IS CHRIST...THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD[I AM THE RESURRECTION]

 
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Sheila, I think you are a bit confused with regard to what Satan's "role" is.  The idea that Satan was once a "holy angel" who fell is yet another of the many, many false doctrines of Babylon.


Who does Christ tell us is the original murderer?


* John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own [nature]: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

How long has Satan been a murderer? Did he start out as a good angel who went bad? "He [the devil] was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him."


According to Genesis, the serpent was the most subtle of all of the 'beasts of the field', which the Lord God HAD MADE:


* Genesis 3:1 "Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God HAD MADE."

Consider these texts:


* Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and CREATE DARKNESS: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do ALL these things."

* Proverbs 16:4 "The Lord has made ALL for Himself, Yes, EVEN THE WICKED for the day of doom."

Who has made THE WICKED? Who CREATED EVIL?


God said: "I the Lord do ALL these things," such as: I CREATE EVIL; and I CREATE DARKNESS, and I MAKE EVEN THE WICKED!"



Consider these texts:


* Job 26:13 "By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the CROOKED SERPENT."
It has been said that this text is referring to a specific constellation of stars, not the serpent from the Garden, who is Satan, the devil, the Great Dragon, etc. (see Revelation 12:9).  But why would the word "garnished" (Hebrew - shiprah = beauty) be used for the creation of the stars which make up ALL of the constellations in the heavens, but the word "formed" (Hebrew - chalal = travailed) be used for the creation of one particular constellation of stars 'in the heavens' named "the crooked serpent?"  That makes little, if any sense. The only sure explanation is given in the verse below:


* Revelation 12:9 "And the great DRAGON was cast out, that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

That OLD [crooked] SERPENT was cast down from heaven (Revelation 12:9) because God forced him out, he didn't "fall from grace".



Jesus plainly says that the devil was "a murderer from the beginning":


* John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING"

And John plainly says that the devil "sinneth from the beginning":


* 1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil SINNETH FROM THE BEGINNING."

Orthodoxy says: "the devil was NOT a 'murderer from the beginning', and "the devil did NOT 'sinneth from the beginning'", but instead he was a sinless, holy angel in the beginning. Do I believe Jesus & John, or do I believe the doctrines of Mystery Babylon?

Be very careful out there. Many false doctrines abound  :mshock:





ded2daworld:
So since Cain slaying Abel was the first murder. Then it follows that Cain must be the devil since he committed the first murder and was a murderer from the beginning ...I don't think so.

Illuin:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on January 17, 2013, 09:30:13 PM ---So since Cain slaying Abel was the first murder. Then it follows that Cain must be the devil since he committed the first murder and was a murderer from the beginning ...I don't think so.

--- End quote ---

Jesus plainly says that the devil was "a murderer from the beginning":


* John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING"

And John plainly says that the devil "sinneth from the beginning":


* 1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil SINNETH FROM THE BEGINNING."

Do you believe them?

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