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Another Look at the Fire of God
« on: February 26, 2015, 09:31:24 PM »
2 Thess 1:6  since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. (NKJV)

This is a common proof text against universal reconciliation. Their are some translation issues here, but they can be ironed out contextually as well, so no one needs to rely "simply" on translation, which I will show later on down the page.

"olethron aionian" is the Greek for "eternal destruction" inverse 9. Young(YLT) transaltes this "destruction age-during".

Some versions, the NASB for example, translate it as eternal destruction "away from" the presence of the Lord, but the word is "apo" which in 570 some uses is almost universally "from" or "of". The destruction is coming from the presence of the Lord, or, of the presence of the Lord. Most versions have it right, and it will be confirmed from some parallel verses.

So, to establish some context, I was looking at 2 Thess 1:6-10 alongside 2 Pet 3:7-13 and Hebrews 12:22-28 and a few other parallel verses and a lot of things come clear, at least for me, when I look at these portions of scripture together. Especially clear is the purifying nature of fire.

Fire either purifies or transforms.

"Our God is a consuming fire" is the concluding statement of the "Yet once more, I will shake the heavens and the earth until only that which cannot be shaken remains" passage in Hebrews 12.

So fire, which is in Jesus eyes in Rev 1(eye is the light of the soul, fulness/fire of God in Christ) is the nature of God(fire/light/love)

Mark 9:49 Every man will be salted with fire and every sacrifice seasoned with salt. To me this states the inevitable process of transformation through fire on two levels- everyman(all, universal through the ages in life and death, heaven, earth, underearth) and every sacrifice(those who have offered themselves).

Here Jesus speaks of fire "seasoning the sacrifices"(believers, subjected ones)- Fire is the nature of God, we are being "seasoned" with the divine nature, the flavor and aroma of Christ. God scourges every son whom He receives, and without correction we are illegitimate children. Fiery trials purify faith, etc.

He also speaks of "Every man"(unbelievers, unsubjected ones)being salted fire: fire, as time, consumes the life of the unbeliever, all its lusts and rewards, its progeny and ideals, and then, in the presence of God in the Light of the Day, its rebellion.

It is all about transformation- the nature of fire is that it transforms and tests the nature of whatever is in it.

There are these various levels of correction, but the correction is in all its levels essentially the same in nature, whether it is the purifying of our faith thru fiery trials in the now, or the burning off of our works of mixed motives(wood hay stubble), the soul being saved but as through fire, or being delivered over for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit will be ssaved in the Day of the Lord or the experience of aionian kolassis,i.e. gehenna or the lake of fire.

Fire burning chaff. He will separate the wheat from the chaff- the seeds of grain are gathered in, then beaten on the threshing floor, then winnowed with a broom that blows the chaf(light surface coating/flesh) out from the seeds. The seeds are then ground leavened and baked(fire again) and distributed for sustenace. The chaff is burned with "unquenchable fire"- not fire that never goes out- it fire that utterly consumes the chaff(flesh/carnal mind/darkness).

Fire burning trees. "Now the axe is laid to the root of the trees". Jesus is speaking of people and groups of people in authority, that have grown up together, that cast a shadow, but that are no longer trees of life- they get "chopped down"- made irrevelant, revealed as futile, frivolous, unfruitful- and "cast into the fire".The fire is that which is consuming the things that are consummable- wood hay and stubble, versus gold, silver and precious stone. Which again, is purifying and corrective.

Again the fire is removing that which is "passing"(yet once more will I shake the heavens and the earth till only that which cannot be shaken remains) and that which is "natural"- of man, not of the spirit, not of the new creation.

2 pet 3:7-13 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.........the passage of time and the rust of corruption are themselves "perdition/ruination/lostness/apollumi"-all life a veil growing thin with time and rending in death- passage from night to day, temporal to eternal.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Fully transformed.

The elements melting away- elements, "stoicheion", are the same elements as the "elemental principles" to which we are no longer to be subject(Colossians 2)- they are of the earth, earthly, soulical(James 3;13-17). Hebrews 5 uses the same word(elementary principles) of the oracles of God. By faith we know that the worlds were "framed" by the word of God. Stoicheion being both "elements" and "elementary principles"- the earthly(temporal) things consumed by fire until the heavenly things appear.

Peter is revealing the process more than an event(imo) even tho the process is highlighted and transitions through events and periods with specific functional purposes,
but always is the same in its nature and root purpose, which is consuming the temporal(lower nature) recreating out of fire "new things"/ spirit- a "new heavens and new earth(1:individul 2:corporate 3:universal) in which dwelleth righteousness(transformation....light out of darkness 2 Cor 4:6)

1 Cor 3:12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. 14 If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

So in 1 Cor 3:15 the fire is burnng up wood, hay and stubble(mixed motive works as temporal/lightweight) and leaving only the foundation and those unshakeable things built upon it(gold silver precious stone) things that are not consumed by fire(I am He that tries the reigns and the hearts).
The same in John 15, the branches that "abide/continue/dwell" in the Vine(nature of God through the root, Christ)

John sees Jesus with fire in His eyes, and Paul sees 'on the Day God will judge the secrets of men's hearts by Jesus Christ, their conscience either excusing or accusing them(Rom 2)"

And those who are accused.....

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone(theon) in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Jukes made the point about theon, as a word used, or coined, to describe the fire used to sanctify goblets and such for use in Greek rituals. And it is clearly "in the presence of God" in Rev 14- I think it is surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses also(Heb 12 general assembly) which is(imo) manifest in 2 Thess 1:10

"IF AT LEAST RIGHTEOUS (IT IS) IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD TO REPAY THOSE OPPRESSING YOU IN TRIBULATION(definitely justice)

AND TO YOU BEING OPPRESSED REOSE WITH US AT THE REVELATION(apokalypsei) OF JESUS CHRIST WITH HIS HOLY ANGELS


8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting(aionian) destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

WHEN HE SHALL COME TO BE GLORIIED IN HIS SAINTS, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) IN THAT DAY.

All these images in 2 Thess 1:6-10, for me personally, flow together with the Hebrews 12 assembly( as the lake of fire, the wine press of the wrath of God,the Lamp, the reservoir of light overflowing the remnats of the darkness, kind of the ultimate view of Ephesians anakepholaiomai(gathering together of all things into one in Christ) and 1 Cor 15, the subjection of every adversary until God becomes all in all.

HEB 12: 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.


25 See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven. 26 And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heaven." 27 This expression, "Yet once more," denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; 29 FOR OUR GOD IS A CONSUMMING FIRE.
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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2015, 10:14:59 PM »
Thank you Eaglesway for your post.
Fire used in the furnace of redemption.

One work that we can build on the foundation that goes through the fire.
That we could praise Jesus for his willingness to go to and through the cross.
When we praise him for his sacrifice.
Our praise is counted as a sacrifice.
Seems such an easy work. 
Praise the Lord.

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2015, 10:19:17 PM »
 :banana: :banana: :banana:   we shall all be changed!!   whole lotta shakin going on!!

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2015, 10:21:07 PM »
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Fire burning trees. "Now the axe is laid to the root of the trees". Jesus is speaking of people and groups of people in authority, that have grown up together, that cast a shadow, but that are no longer trees of life- they get "chopped down"- made irrevelant, revealed as futile, frivolous, unfruitful- and "cast into the fire".The fire is that which is consuming the things that are consummable- wood hay and stubble, versus gold, silver and precious stone. Which again, is purifying and corrective.

Love the post, particularly above. In Deuteronomy 4, where we get the consuming fire reference, Moses also refers to Egypt as an iron smelting fire. For some, I believe the fire represents being cut off, fire being a great symbol for taking what is tall, and reducing its size, being humbled. In that sense, the fire of God that cuts one off for the destruction of the flesh is, in itself also refining because it brings about a positive result.

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2015, 10:25:02 PM »
  flesh and blood can not please Him...worship in truth and spirit form...for if we did know Christ after the flesh..we certainly

   know Him no longer that way.  for when you see Him..in spirit form[-flesh] face to face,ye shall be just like Him!..... :banana:

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2015, 10:30:27 PM »
 this op is definitely on the Holy spirits teaching agenda!!! Just read all about this last night!!!!!!

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2015, 10:44:29 PM »
1 Samuel 2;8   Hannah's prayer...'a son is given'....He raises the poor from the dust,and lifts the needy from the ash heap;

   He seats them with princes and has them to inherit a throne of honor.  For the foundations of the earth are the  Lord's.

   The Lord brings death and makes alive, He brings down to the grave and raises up...........please read ch 2;1-11  beautiful!

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2015, 12:03:04 AM »
Thank you Eaglesway for your post.
Fire used in the furnace of redemption.

One work that we can build on the foundation that goes through the fire.
That we could praise Jesus for his willingness to go to and through the cross.
When we praise him for his sacrifice.
Our praise is counted as a sacrifice.
Seems such an easy work. 
Praise the Lord.

 :banana:
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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2015, 12:15:18 AM »
"For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's,
And He has set the world upon them.
He will guard the feet of His saints,
But the wicked shall be silent in darkness.
"For by strength no man shall prevail.
The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken in pieces;
From heaven He will thunder against them.
The Lord will judge the ends of the earth.

Love these verses.

Pillars of the earth.

Yet once more I will shake the heavens and the earth. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.

Oh, that You would rend the heavens!
That You would come down!
That the mountains might shake at Your presence—Is 64:1
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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2015, 12:20:16 AM »
A reversal of fortune..

4 The bows of the mighty men are broken, and they that stumbled are girded with strength.

5 They that were full have hired out themselves for bread; and they that were hungry ceased: so that the barren hath born seven; and she that hath many children is waxed feeble.

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2015, 12:29:05 AM »
It brings to mind how that Christ was crucified outside Jerusalem. Outside the heavenly Jerusalem, repentance is like the destruction of the flesh, when man calls out unto the Lord. Inside that Jerusalem is where they live new resurrected lives. Romans 6 comes to mind about the likeness of resurrection in newly Spirit baptized lives.

I think this is why, in Isaiah 30 it says that the breath of the Lord stokes the fire of Tophet. He brings about the repentance he desires even if it means using Babylonian idols for his purpose.

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2015, 12:44:33 AM »
It brings to mind how that Christ was crucified outside Jerusalem. Outside the heavenly Jerusalem, repentance is like the destruction of the flesh, when man calls out unto the Lord. Inside that Jerusalem is where the elect are living resurrected lives.

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Gal_4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Heb_12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
3 John 4 - I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2015, 12:53:41 AM »
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Fire burning trees. "Now the axe is laid to the root of the trees". Jesus is speaking of people and groups of people in authority, that have grown up together, that cast a shadow, but that are no longer trees of life- they get "chopped down"- made irrevelant, revealed as futile, frivolous, unfruitful- and "cast into the fire".The fire is that which is consuming the things that are consummable- wood hay and stubble, versus gold, silver and precious stone. Which again, is purifying and corrective.

Love the post, particularly above. In Deuteronomy 4, where we get the consuming fire reference, Moses also refers to Egypt as an iron smelting fire. For some, I believe the fire represents being cut off, fire being a great symbol for taking what is tall, and reducing its size, being humbled. In that sense, the fire of God that cuts one off for the destruction of the flesh is, in itself also refining because it brings about a positive result.

Yes. I was thinking about how for gold, silver - fire purifies. It separates the gold or silver from impurities and from alloys (lead, iron, tin). Alloys can blend with gold and silver. That may be useful to man but it is not useful to God.

Precious stone is formed in pressure and fire.

Five Requirements for Crystallization

Ingredients     
Temperature
Pressure
Time
Space


It is very interesting really, how simple elements crystaize. In the kingdom- God is making crystals.

"in the beginning the earth was without form and void"

We are the ingredients

God is the temperature/fire

Life brings the pressure

Time and Space allow for the transformation.







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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2015, 01:04:11 AM »
Just a confirmation.  I got the "shaken" verses around 4/5am this morning while resting on my pillow and kept thinking bout them.

So I`m paying really careful attention to everything said in this thread!   :)

Don`t you just love when the Lord confirms His own word to us....speaks once then twice?  (Forget where that is ...somewhere in scripture)

This board needs a fire emoticon.   :dsunny:
"My idea of God is not a divine idea. It has to be
shattered time after time. He shatters it Himself. He is the great iconoclast. Could we not almost say that this shattering is one of the marks of His presence? The Incarnation is the supreme example; it leaves all previous ideas of the Messiah in ruins. And most are 'offended' by the iconoclasm; and blessed are those who are not."
-C.S. Lewis from his book  ---A Grief Observed---

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2015, 03:05:12 AM »
   :thumbsup: Ps9....  anybody notice that in the old covenant[after the pattern of heaven] that Father found the smell of

   burnt/consumed flesh..on His altar....a restful odour?

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2015, 06:34:16 PM »
   :thumbsup: Ps9....  anybody notice that in the old covenant[after the pattern of heaven] that Father found the smell of

   burnt/consumed flesh..on His altar....a restful odour?

Interesting point Sheila,

I often thought, why did god say he liked the smell of a BBQ. :  :Chinscratch:

I believe now that it refers to the destruction of the flesh, purging of sin by fire.

....a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD....

But what is the connection to Ps9?

Maybe:

Psa 9:3  When mine enemies are turned back, they shall fall and perish at thy presence   :dontknow:

3 John 4 - I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2015, 06:39:00 PM »
I see a strong connection to the purging fire of God and this.verse from Psalm 9

16 The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands.

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2015, 06:49:32 PM »
Isaiah 30
28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.

33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.


2 Thessalonians 2
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


God is a consuming fire. They are ensnared by the work of their own hands. He renders unto each according to their works, strong delusion for those who practice deception. Adam and Eve were kept out of the garden by a sword of flaming fire, cut off, unable to enter. He is known by the judgement he executes. And yet, all for the purpose of crucifying his loved, yet prodigal, children outside the city. For everyone will be salted with fire.  I think it best to be salted with the fire of faith testing, rather than being consumed by the works of my own hands. :HeartThrob:



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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2015, 07:52:55 PM »
 :thumbsup:  Tk and Seth...also this..verse 4  you have upheld my right and my cause[thinking of Jesus and His cross and being judged as a sinner by men on the cross]....YOU HAVE SaT ON YOUR THRONE JUDGING RIGHTEOUSLY.......v 13 Have mercy

and lift me up from the gates of death..........

    the Word of God come in flesh and the wicked condemned him of blasphemy[liar]..........the power of God cast evil spirits out of

  men healed and resurrected men,and the wicked said the power that cast out evil spirits[and did good] was evil.

 thus calling the word of God a liar and the power of God evil.   in all actuality..the wicked one judged the forgiveness of sin and the

  mercy and healing bestowed on man by the Father and Jesus...an evil thing.as well as the taking away 'sin' from man...to be

 an evil thing.....at His death and resurrection the earth shook and the foundations of the earth were shaken....is not my word as a

hammer[Jeremiah 23;29] and fire that breaks rock in pieces?

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2015, 08:04:59 PM »
Some more thoughts......

As I said in the opening post, I think the same principles run through everything relating to the fire of God when it comes to purging, purifying and correction. But I think when looking at the "sweet savor", it s speaking of the "acceptable sacrifice".

Ps 51:9 Then you will delight in the sacrifices of the righteous,
    in burnt offerings offered whole;
    then bulls will be offered on your altar.

Aarons sons were consumed because they offered an unacceptable sacrifice(mixture as in "earthly, soulish demonic" James 3:13-18 is a PURE, PERFECT, COMPLETE description of the acceptable sacrifice, vs the unacceptable/mixed sacrifice).

Cain was rejected because he offered an unacceptable sacrifice, while Abels was accepted.(works of the hands/self righteousness/earned vs, humble offering in gratitude for mercy)

Sacrifices offered from a humble heart in purity/brokeness as a sweet smelling savor, are the acceptable sacrifices in Psalm 51.

The acceptable sacrifice is all over the NT also...

Ro 12:1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world(pride/works), but be transformed by the renewing of your mind(humilty, "have this mind in you which was in Christ). Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, acceptable and perfect will.

Every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt Mk 9

Those who offer acceptable sacrifices are seasoned with salt(salted with fire) so that they will be even further purified- testing and trying and purging the heart(I am He that tries the reins and the hearts)- like gold tried in the fire 7 times, like the gold used to form the lampstand in the temple, in Zechariah 4 and Ex 35, which is symbolic of the priesthood of the believer(He walks among the lampstands in Rev 1:12 unless you repent I will remove your lampstand from its place, to Ephesus in Revelation 2:1)

Interestingly, those who offer acceptable offerings are accepted, their offerings consumed by fire, a sweet smelling savor- the incense that surrounds the throne. Those who offer unacceptable sacrifices are rejected, and they themselves are consumed, which hurts- but is God's mercy to show them the acceptable way through judgment/correction leading to discernent/fruitfulness.

The same fire, which is the presence of God, His "face", in which disciples shine and are purified from glory to glory, will "torment"(correct/punish) the wicked.

The earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep, and the Spirit hovered over the waters...Gen 1

No man comes to the Father except the Spirit draw him.

In this life fire consumes through various means- all of them from the hand of the Lord upon the wicked to turn him from his way, to
"turn to the Lord", to "face" the Lord, "Let there be light" so the waters above can be separated from the waters below- "Whenevr a man turns to the Lord the veil is removed, and we all with unveiled face are being transformed from glory to glory by the Spirit, who is the Lord" 2 Cor 3:16-18

For those who do not respond to this in this life- remaining "hard hearted" and "hostile in mind", "the Spirit hovering over the (veiled) face of the deep"- the formless and void(veiled) face  turned from God- void of the image/character of Christ, the fire will still remain for them when they awake to the great white throne and the lake of fire- where the SPirit will still hover over the face of the deep and the hand off the Lord will be heavy upon them still until they turn(inwardly) to "face"(commune with) Him, bending the knee and confessing His Lordship.

When you really think about it, the harshest correction is gentle and merciful when compared to the horrific idea of eternal torment, but as I have said before, I believe that aionian correction- particularly, the lake of fire, is being held, made to stand, before the overwhelming "presence" before the face that "shines like the sun shining in its strength(which is the Day) and the eyes that are as flames of fire(penetrating the most stubborn soul) and bringing the "secrets of the heart" up into the light, like dragging Leviathan, the twisting fleeing serpent(carnal mind/self-centered/excuses and blaming mind) uo from the deep with a hook in his jaws to destruction.

It is all about being brought "face to face" with God in Christ, whether in this life or the next.

For disciples, who are "unveiled" it is from glory to glory, gold tried in the fire, an "acceptable sacrifice" yielding a "sweet savor".

For the adversaries, "the smoke of their torment rises", like the smoke from the nostrils of the great dragon Leviathan, the king of pride(Job)

2 Cor 4:2 On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.



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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2015, 08:49:30 PM »
 greatly enjoying all your post John.....

   envy and selfish ambition has no place in the worship of God...Paul spoke of those whose ministry

  was driven[motive] in such. Never is the desire to serve God from a greatful heart such.

   Satan has called many false prophets[impure motives] and mixed them up in the prophecy bag

[testimony of Jesus  is the spirit of prophecy].

   Elijah did a great work of shew-bread in his day...and false prophets of Baal and the grove were slain of

 the sword]SalvationWORD] and Elijah's sacrifice was accepted of God when God consumed the water

 and the grain[accepted the waters/ of life and bread/word of heaven]

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Re: Another Look at the Fire of God
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2015, 09:18:59 PM »
Isaaih 57;3  but you,you come here,you sons of a sorceress[Jezebels prophets of Baal/astoreth/groves]

  you offspring of adulterers and prostitutes. Whom are you mocking..at whom do you sneer and

  stick out your tougne? Are you not a brood of rebels,the offspring of liars? You burn with lust among

 the oaks.............v 14 comfort for the contrite..............

  interesting that the dogs ate Jezebel...all except her hands and feet[works/walk]..........it is not proper to give

  the bread of the children unto the little dogs.....but the little dogs do eat of the crumbs from

 under the table.........even the dog reckognized the good works done of Christ...