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Parable of the rich man and Lazarus - Christ is the Lazarus

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anti_nietzsche:
Today this parable came to mind here again and I mulled a bit about it.

It could be said that Christ Himself was the Lazarus in this story. He laid at the gates of the rich men, and hoped for crumbs from their table (that they would support his ministry and help him in doing something for the poor and for the lost) and his leprous blotches were the poor and the other in some way needy people that Jesus spoke on behalf of so often. The Pharisees and the Rich sent their dogs to lick these boils and blotches, ie they said kind words to them in order to pacify them and in many cases to lead them away from Christ whom they called a troublemaker. It's interesting how Christ would use this metaphor, the christian concept of people constituting Christ's body comes to mind.

In the parable, after their death both Lazarus/Christ and the Rich Man enter the afterlife. Jesus rests at Beloved Abraham's bosom in order to rest from the ordeal that His life had meant. The Rich man, if I get the symbolism right, also died and stands before Christ and has no excuse. I take that to mean he is full of shame. Abraham tells him to stuff it, he wouldn't become a powerful and comfortable Rich Man again who could define the rules (the abyss). The Rich Man wants to save his offspring and rest of the family, but Jesus says their only chance is in him, and the ironic fact is he would indeed come back from the dead and yet the Rich Men of his time wouldn't believe it nor would they get changed in their hard heart because of it.

I can guess what the Great White Throne Judgment and the lake of fire will be like ... a big shame fest.

(Apparently Jesus took this parable to approach the then-current ideas of hell and the afterlife (which were pretty medieval) and change it to his point of view and the spiritual reality of the afterlife that only He knew something about on Earth.)

sheila:
I agree Lazarus  portrays Christ[and all men to be raised up in Him]. it also fits the 'suffering servant"

.the rich man[pharisees=offspring  of vipers]  or sin..living it up on earth and luxuring in it's inequity......

      whatever you did for the least of these that beleive in me, ye have done unto me...for I was hungry..

  cold..in prison..naked..sick.....

    God promises...that   "my people shall not be ashamed"  but they shall be humble and contrite

    How does Father remove our shame from us?   'the creature was subjected to vanity..not of it's

  own will..but of the will of Him who subjected it..in order that the whole creation shall be set free...

  into the Glorious Liberty of the SONS OF GOD"

   He also says...'do not condemn a servant to his Master"  it was by the will of the Father that we be

  subjected to this exercize in good/evil.  you can not tell a servant from a son when they are youth....

   for folly is tied up with the heart of a youth..........but there is the 'foolishness' of God to deal with this

   also known as the 'foolishness' of the cross.

     HE IS BEYOND COMPARE IN WISDOM INTELLECT LOVE AND POWER............I AM SO PROUD

   OF HIM!!!!!.......THE WHOLE CREATION IS IN VERY CAPABLE HANDS

lomarah:
That was awesome Sheila.  :HeartThrob:

anti_nietzsche:
That's a good continuation of the essence of the parable. Except perhaps in this, the suffering people of the sheep and goat discernment exist everywhere, they're not only christians but they're in the body of Christ already. That's a necessary part of universalism, not to be exclusive. In the lazarus parable Jesus simply sets out to call the suffering and poor and needy a part of his body ... their pain is his pain and he can't do something else but love them so God is always pleading with us to make things better for all and to remember that our happiness is also our Father's happiness...

eaglesway:
I also think that Jesus was simply illustrating for the legalistic, ritualistic Jews, what Paul called "true religion".

In many places the Lord used these parables to illustrate to all who heard Him and all who would ever read His words that difference between living in "indifference" to those who are suffering upon the doorstep of our prosperity while we recline within the walls of our abundance, completely oblivious to the needs that surround us.

Whatever ones concept of the afterlife, it is clear hear that Jesus is speaking to a principle which applies at every level, for instance.

Lazarus as the Gentiles, starving for the word of God, which the Hebrews have, but refuse to share because they are so caught up in "expanding their own borders" in their visions of earthly kingdom that they have not seen the kingdom of God in the words of the prophets, nor themselves as the "lampstand" they were meant to be in the world among the nations.

Lazarus as the unbelievers in our communities, withering upon the doorstep of our religious indifference as we divide over doctrinal minutae and build more and bigger churches "for the glory of God".

Lazarus as Christ for "as you have done unto the least of these, so have you done unto me".

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