Hi Noname ,
This is where we will disagree
because I truly believe in my heart Saul/ Paul was chosen by Jesus Christ to be the new apostle , not the 13th
but the one born out of due time And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
Judas had not killed himself yet ....
1Cr 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Cr 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles
1Cr 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
1Cr 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles
, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me
Therefore whether [it were] I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
I or they this is not the main concern , its that they ALL DID included Paul
a chosen vessel that would suffer many things for JESUS names sake
personally many of Pauls writings / his body of works reveal mysteries long hidden from our eyes
and do very much coincide and AGREE with every thing Jesus taught
and reveals Jesus Christ and the works of the Holy Spirit even further
the last thing we should fo is argue over the bodies of works and whos is whos ,, its all Jesus Christ / BODY and its made ALIVE through the SPIRIT OF HOLY Father , this grace and mercy on us all
even Peter denied Christ betrayed Jesus 3 times as Judas did
and What did Jesus say to Peter ?
Peter did not even know it was him ! Jesus had come to see them after His death in His glorified body and spoke to them
its in John 21 NLT
'12 "Now come and have some breakfast!" Jesus said. None of the disciples dared to ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. 13 Then Jesus served them the bread and the fish
. 14 This was the third time Jesus had appeared to his disciples since he had been raised from the dead.
15 After breakfast Jesus asked Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?"
"Yes, Lord," Peter replied, "you know I love you."
"Then feed my lambs," Jesus told him.
16 Jesus repeated the question: "Simon son of John, do you love me?"
"Yes, Lord," Peter said, "you know I love you."
"Then take care of my sheep," Jesus said.
17 A third time he asked him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?"
Peter was hurt that Jesus asked the question a third time. He said, "Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you."
Jesus said, "Then feed my sheep.
18 "I tell you the truth, when you were young, you were able to do as you liked; you dressed yourself and went wherever you wanted to go. But when you are old, you will stretch out your hands,
and others will dress you and take you where you don't want to go." 19 Jesus said this to let him know by what kind of death he would glorify God. Then Jesus told him, "Follow me."
20 Peter turned around and saw behind them the disciple Jesus loved—the one who had leaned over to Jesus during supper and asked, "Lord, who will betray you?"
21 Peter asked Jesus, "What about him, Lord?"
22 Jesus replied, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? As for you, follow me."
23 So the rumor spread among the community of believers that this disciple wouldn't die. But that isn't what Jesus said at all. He only said, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?"
24 This disciple is the one who testifies to these events and has recorded them here. And we know that his account of these things is accurate.
25 Jesus also did many other things. If they were all written down, I suppose the whole world could not contain the books that would be written.
even Peter was told by Jesus of his betrayal and yet he did not know at the time
Saul/ Paul on the road to Damascus was also betraying Jesus Body / Church that was being made alive by Christ the head
and did not know till Jesus blinded him with TRUTH !
fulfilling this very prophecy in Paul / saul from the start being Judged by Jesus and there are many more prophecies being fulfilled by Jesus in Paul Jhn 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge
: and my judgment is just
; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Jhn 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
now we see how Jesus judges hearts and how he changes them
causing the seeing to be blind and the blind to SEE
Jhn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
1 Meanwhile, Saul was uttering threats with every breath and was eager to kill the Lord's followers. So he went to the high priest. 2 He requested letters addressed to the synagogues in Damascus, asking for their cooperation in the arrest of any followers of the Way he found there. He wanted to bring them—both men and women—back to Jerusalem in chains.
3 As he was approaching Damascus on this mission, a light from heaven suddenly shone down around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul! Saul! Why are you persecuting me?"
5 "Who are you, lord?" Saul asked.
And the voice replied, "I am Jesus, the one you are persecuting!
6 Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."
7 The men with Saul stood speechless, for they heard the sound of someone's voice but saw no one!
8 Saul picked himself up off the ground, but when he opened his eyes he was blind. So his companions led him by the hand to Damascus. 9 He remained there blind for three days and did not eat or drink.
10 Now there was a believer in Damascus named Ananias. The Lord spoke to him in a vision, calling, "Ananias!"
"Yes, Lord!" he replied.
11 The Lord said, "Go over to Straight Street, to the house of Judas. When you get there, ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul. He is praying to me right now. 12 I have shown him a vision of a man named Ananias coming in and laying hands on him so he can see again."
13 "But Lord," exclaimed Ananias, "I've heard many people talk about the terrible things this man has done to the believers in Jerusalem! 14 And he is authorized by the leading priests to arrest everyone who calls upon your name."
15 But the Lord said, "Go, for Saul is my chosen instrument to take my message to the Gentiles and to kings, as well as to the people of Israel. 16 And I will show him how much he must suffer for my name's sake."
17 So Ananias went and found Saul. He laid his hands on him and said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road, has sent me so that you might regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
18 Instantly something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he got up and was baptized. 19 Afterward he ate some food and regained his strength.
spiritual food no doubt ! the new man in Christ the work of the Holy Spirit and heavenly Father has declared His Kingdom come and will be done on the earth and it is in heaven
no man can change my mind on this
just the Holy Spirit can as
this is truth settled within already ....