for all your input
I also believe that everyone of the apostles pointed to and exalted Christ Jesus and the Heavenly Father always
one of the things that stuck a a cord
was betrayal is a form
of trechery and beguilment
his deed is not of love and will be burned up and suffer loss ..
if its not counted or amounts to vanity /nothing I do not know , God knows I do Know Jesus was glorified and His Father was also glorified in this kind of death one the Cross
found this in the Bible definitons dictionary
(From International Standard Bible Encyclopedia)
be-tra' (ramah; paradidomi): In the Old Testament only once (1 Chronicles 12:17). David warns those who had deserted to him from Saul: "If ye be come to betray me to mine adversaries .... the God of our fathers look thereon." The same Hebrew word is elsewhere translated "beguile" (Genesis 29:25; Joshua 9:22), "deceive" (1 Samuel 19:17; 1 Samuel 28:12; 2 Samuel 19:26; Proverbs 26:19; Lamentations 1:19).
In the New Testament, for paradidomi: 36 times
, of the betrayal of Jesus Christ,
and only 3 times besides (Matthew 24:10; Mark 13:12; Luke 21:16) of kinsmen delivering up one another to prosecution
In these three places the Revised Version (British and American) translates according to the more general meaning,
"to deliver up," and also (in Matthew 17:22; Matthew 20:18; Matthew 26:16; Mark 14:10, Mark 14:21; Luke 22:4, Luke 22:6) where it refers to the delivering up of Jesus.
The Revisers' idea was perhaps to retain "betray" only in direct references to Judas' act,
but they have not strictly followed that rule. Judas' act was more than that of giving a person up to the authorities; he did it under circumstances of treachery which modified its character
: (a) he took advantage of his intimate relation with Jesus Christ as a disciple to put Him in the hands of His enemies; (b) he did it stealthily by night, and (c) by a kiss, an act which professed affection and friendliness; (d) he did it for money, and (e) he knew that Jesus Christ was innocent of any crime (Matthew 27:4).
Read more: http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Def.show/RTD/ISBE/ID/1467/Betray.htm#ixzz0iuf4KhIt
and as for the ranking Paul /Pierac
, that was a good point made
the scriptures tells us our liberty / freedom in Christ is to Love one another when serving one another is the same as serving Christ
Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another
the Law changed as well as the priesthood when Christ took control
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hbr 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Hbr 7:14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Hbr 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Hbr 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Jhn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you
, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment
, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Jhn 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
1Th 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Jo 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another
1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
2Jo 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
like I said before , am considering everything written in the Word on this and everything said on this thread by everyone .
and there is lots to consider when thinking deeper in the matter