but then why would Paul be looking for a soon coming of Christ, when he had Truth already revealed in him??
as clearly, Paul, Peter, John etc had the Spirit come to them, they were still awaiting a future coming???
The spiritual coming of Christ to each person doesn't negate Christ's future coming in the history of mankind.
This verse shows that Christ comes to us on a personal basis.
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
....and if every generation is "is,was and will be", then what is the "coming" of Christ other than our "personal physical death"??
I don't think it's physical death at all.
1. as thief in the night (judgment, wrath)
2. the revelation of Christ in us
If these verses are only about the one-time coming of Christ in history (say 1000 years from now) how can I obey any of these verses? They have nothing to do with me.
Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
If this passage is about a one-time coming of Christ in history, then it does not apply to most of mankind. Many will have watched, but the Lord did not come while they were watched. Many will have slept, but the Lord did not come while they were sleeping.
Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Thanks bobf,
after pentacost, Christ's "individual" return to believers; Paul had this to say about another SOON coming of Christ. Was he just off on his time? if he wasnt' talking about each persons own "pentacost" as this was already past tense??
1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon
whom the ends of the ages have come.
Jas 5:3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up
treasure in the last days. 1Jn 2:18 Little children, it
is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that
it is the last hour.
compared to Matthew 24, where we are told "no one knows the hour"
Act 2:16-17 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on
all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams.
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more
as you see the Day approaching.
Heb 10:36-37 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise: "For
yet a little while, And He
who is coming will come and will not tarry." Rom 13:11-12 And do this, knowing the time, that
now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now
our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the
day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Rom 16:20 And the God of peace
will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Jas 5:7-9 Therefore
be patient, brethren,
until the
coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the
coming of the Lord is at hand. Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!
1Pet 4:7 But the
end of all things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.
Phil 4:5 Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
1Cor 1:4-8 I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, That you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, So that you come short in no gift,
eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who will also confirm you to the end, that
you may be
blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cor 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the
time is short, so that from now on even those
who have wives should be as though they had none, Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which
must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the
time is near.
Rev 22:10 And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the
time is at hand.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory
about to be revealed in us;
2Tim 4:1 I do fully testify, then, before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is
about to judge living and dead at his manifestation and his reign –
1Pet 5:1 Elders who [are] among you, I exhort, who [am] a fellow-elder, and a witness of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the glory
about to be revealed a partaker…
Rev 1:19 'Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come
after these things;So, these "about to" verses are more than our "own personal coming/pentacost" arent' they??
Unless we spiritualize them, some "internal second coming", then the apostles were wrong on their "about to" happen prophecies weren't they??
And if we do spiritualize them, then what is that "second return" spiritually, what is the "receiving the end of our faith"???
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the
end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
