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Is hades really divided : is there a place for torment and Abraham's lair?


There's an intersting point of view here:

--- Quote ---The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Prior to Christ's resurrection, Luke 16:19-31 shows Hades to be divided into two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was, and a place of torment where the rich man was. The word hell in verse 23 is not "Gehenna" (place of eternal torment) but "Hades" (place of the dead). Lazarus's place of comfort is elsewhere called Paradise (Luke 23:43). Between these two districts of Hades is "a great gulf fixed" (Luke 16:26).
Jesus is described as having descended into Hades after His death (Acts 2:27, 31; cf. Ephesians 4:9). At the resurrection of Jesus Christ, it seems that the believers in Hades (i.e., the occupants of Paradise) were moved to another location. Now, Paradise is above rather than below (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).
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If sheol/ hades was divided at two parts and if there's temporary hell ( hades now ) and temporary heaven ( with Christ ), then the whole universalist doctrine is wrong and there's indeed heaven and hell.

 :cloud9: I can't find my teaching on it, and I can't seem to pull it from memory this morning as of yet, but "wide gulf" doesn't mean what you think it means. It ties in with His side being pierced, that's all I can remember right now. Almost nothing in there is meant to be taken literally, but spiritually to our spirits, as I found my first 2 years of daily study in the original languages, when I first came to the Lord. Just keep pressing in and asking the Holy Spirit to teach you. He waits for your invitation. Blessings to you........

Do a search on the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. This was an alegory of the transition from Israel to the gentile nations as God's chosen vessels to spread His Kingdom in the earth. You run into all kinds of trouble if you try to make this parable into a literal description of the afterlife.


Pro 15:24  THE WAY OF LIFE  is above TO THE WISE, that he may depart from HELL beneath.

John 8:23  And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Eph 5:15-17  See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but AS WISE, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


Matthew 13:34  All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable.

Mark 4:34  He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything.

Who was speaking? Was it Jesus?  then it must have been parable!

You figure out the rest my friend. There are many good papers available on this site to assist you.



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