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challenger

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False teachers leading people to the Lake of Fire
« on: July 20, 2008, 02:52:16 AM »
First off, let me say, the only people going to the lake of fire are people whom names are not written in the book of life.

Revelation 20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The devil, the beast, and the false prophet will all be waiting in the lake of fire waiting for all whom they have deceived. If you have payed heed to seducing spirits saying "we are all going to the lake of fire"  then you have been deceived by a doctrine of demons and you better run for your life. I personally was led into this particular deception and one day I realized that only people whom names are not written in the book of life are going there and I believe that those whom take hold of the salvation offered through Jesus Christ, have their names written in the book of life, have no sins held to their account and have obtained Eternal Life with no condemnation.

The Lake of Fire should not be a place you are planning on spending any time in. It is not a pleasant place. It is not a happy place. It is the consumation of the judgment upon the devil, the beast, the false prophet and those whom's names are not written in the book of life. It is called the Second Death.

martincisneros

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Re: False teachers leading people to the Lake of Fire
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2008, 03:57:37 AM »
A book that BIBLICALLY answers each of these questions that you're raising in favor of the Universal Restoration is called "The Universal Restoration" by Elhanan Winchester.  You can probably find a copy at abebooks.com for under $50.  Perhaps a $20 copy.  That book got rid of my last remaining questions about a belief in the Universal Restoration by answering each of these questions from the Bible that you've raised, and a few that you haven't yet raised like the supposed infinity of sin (mentioned once in Job), where the tree falls there it will lie, how punishment of short continuance serves to enrage rather than to humble and to discipline, the great ransom (in Job) that can't deliver, the Scriptures about wrath abiding on the unbeliever, Jesus saying that where I go you cannot come, unquenchable fires and undying worms, can anything less than endless damnation be sufficient to justify the expression of "Good were it for that man, that he had never been born," etc., etc., etc.

You're dealing with a perspective of Christianity that goes back to the very beginning of Christianity and that experienced the true Reformation at the time of the Reformation.  That you never found adequate answers at this website to your questions doesn't mean that they don't exist. 

I'll give you additional arguments that have been proposed since the Reformation against the Universal Restoration if you'd like, that never have been sufficiently defended by believers in endless damnation when the message of the Universal Restoration was allowed to shine in it's truest light. 

We're not intimidated by a single one of these questions, and most of us have Biblical answers to all of them, rather than speculative answers.  Let me help you construct additional threads that would likewise be refuted with as much or greater ease:

How about the argument that though aion may be bound to time here, that that doesn't mean that it's bound to time in the future world?

How about the argument that tries to claim that Philippians 2 will only be fulfilled by force?

What about the fallacy built upon the eternal co-existence of good and evil that as we're perfected in righteousness, so also evil in the wicked is grown up to a body in them, and it appears as difficult to reform and bring them off from their vicious habits, as it would be to draw the saints in light from their adherence to virtue and goodness?

How about the nonsense that All doesn't always mean All in the Apostles writings?

What about Esau?  Judas?

The impassableness of the great gulf?

How can these people know more than the rest of the Body of Christ?

The doctrine of endless punishment being proposed to be the greatest possible restraint upon sin?

If it's not a plain doctrine to all, then it cannot be a doctrine of Scripture at all?  (oh, please toss this one at us :laughing7:

God sware in His wrath that the Israelites should not enter into His rest.

Our Saviour has said that the night cometh when no man can work.

The characters of all fixed and unchangeable after a certain point of time, viz., he that is unjust let him be unjust still, he that is filthy let him be filthy still, &c.

Those who add or diminish have the plagues added to them, or their part taken out of the book of life.

Sinners in Hell supposedly under a greater and greater pressure to commit more wickedness.


All of these and many more have been Biblically answered with the absolute greatest of Biblical ease in every century since the Reformation.

challenger

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Re: False teachers leading people to the Lake of Fire
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2008, 05:29:06 AM »
Martincisneros,

Whatever the case may be, I think I can safely say, if satan waves at a person while smiling in the lake of fire and says "come on in, the lava's great" I would advise one to remember:

"He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

That same thing (like the smiling satan in the lava) is what I compare teachings on the lake of fire that say "come on in". From seducing spirits. And like I said, I fell under this same delusion myself and spoke of it often at one point, but I repented for that.

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pneuma

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Re: False teachers leading people to the Lake of Fire
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 02:55:58 PM »
Martincisneros,

Whatever the case may be, I think I can safely say, if satan waves at a person while smiling in the lake of fire and says "come on in, the lava's great" I would advise one to remember:

"He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

That same thing (like the smiling satan in the lava) is what I compare teachings on the lake of fire that say "come on in". From seducing spirits. And like I said, I fell under this same delusion myself and spoke of it often at one point, but I repented for that.




Hi challanger, no one I know of teaches a gospel of "come on in" I think we are all well aware the judgments of God for the moment hurt us but they work for our good.

Thus the law is a ministration of DEATH, but it is also our SCHOOLMASTER that leads to life. Death leads to resurrection.