Good thoughts Tony, thanks. I agree that the divinely spoken or revealed will NEVER contradict the written.
Nathan, I agree with this; "If we read it spiritually, not only do we ourselves become empowered by it's message, but our knowledge is greatly enhanced as well." We should do ALL things spiritually.
This is from a post in another thread. http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/discussions_universal_salvation/rob_bell_love_wins_9429.msg118150.html#msg118150
I usually say "the scriptures" as well, mainly because I don't want this particular argument and people's varying opinions/understandings from detracting from the primary point I'm often trying to make at the time.
However, I believe the scribes and pharisees misused the written Word, and missed the Revealed Word - Jesus. They looked to and ONLY used the letter, and were not open to the Spirit and denied the Messiah. IMO, that's how they failed.
I believe there's misunderstanding on BOTH sides of this issue - those that deny the scriptures, and those that get so dogmatic they insist on things like KJV-salvation and any other translations are of the devil - and then many variations in-between.
This is from a previous post I've kept for these purposes. Hopefully it's helpful.
"My thoughts simply are, Jesus became the revealed Word in flesh
, but His doing so did not negate the logos, which scripture states is forever settled in the heavens. In my understanding (and I've had some very intense dealings from God regarding His Word) there's the Word (thought/intent of God), the written Word, and Jesus the Word revealed and come in the flesh - not one or the other.
IMO, there can be a misunderstanding between the written Word, the spoken Word, and the fact that Jesus revealed the Word in flesh. As I've said, I don't believe one negates the other.
John 6:63 Jesus said "…..the Words I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life".
John 1:1 Christ is the living Word of God.
I believe scripture (accurately translated, rightly divided, Spirit revealed - especially the originals) is the written Word of God, as evidenced by Jesus' statement Himself - John 14:23 JESUS (THE LIVING WORD) SAID, "if a man love me he will keep my Words". (The Word saying "keep my Word"
Matthew 4:4 "It is written man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God".
John 15:3 Again, JESUS (THE LIVING WORD) SAID, "Now you are clean through the Word which I have spoken unto you". (See it again, the Word saying the Word?)
Logos: Unchanging self-existent Word of God
Psalms 119:89 "forever o Lord thy Word (logos) is settled in heaven".
Rhema: derived from the verb to speak. Romans 10:17 "so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God".
Shortly after God revealed UR to me, I was tempted to adopt what seemed to be a popular opinion on TM at the time, that Jesus ALONE was the Word, and that the written Word was suspect, unreliable, and not inspired. God dealt with me swiftly, deeply, and painfully that I was to not go in that direction, and was to maintain a belief [and stance] that His written Word is just that - His Word. Yes, Jesus is the Word -become flesh. But God also has written Word and spoken/revealed Word. They operate in tandem. They don't exclude or diminish each other, and I don't believe I should either.
I later inquired (again) of God about this topic. He immediately let me know He had already let me know. I went to the written Word. These scriptures are from perhaps the most literal English translation available, The Christian Bible (1991).
I John 2:7 The Law is called the Word that was heard
2:8 Then again, I am writing a new Word to you that is true in Him.
:14 I have written to you...and God's Word is staying in you
Mathew 13:18-22 Jesus talks about the Word about the Kingdom, in the parable of the sower - Vs. 22; "Now the one among the thorns into which the seed was planted, this is the person who hears the Word, but the concerns of this age and enticement or riches stifle the Word, and it beomes unfruitful.
Mt. 15:3 "Why do you step beyond the boundaries of God's Direction because of your tradition? ...now you have invalidated God's Word because or your tradition."
Notice the differences,  and ;
Rev. 3:8 You have kept  my Word and you haven't disowned  my name ("Yesu")
John 1:14 The Word became flesh
John 8:31 Then  Yesu was saying..."if you stay in  My Word, you are truly my students"
37 "you are seeking to kill Me, for My Word has no room in you"
John 17:6,8 "I made  your Name apparent...they have kept  Your Word. Now they have come to know that everything that You have given to Me, is from You, because they have kept the Declarations that you gave me, I have given to them, and they accepted them, and truly knew that came out from You..."
Terrific post. I had never heard this point of view of the Word. And, I must be one of them "fatalistic" folk because I do believe the Bible to be 100% inspired. And while it's not all encompassing of my relationship with Christ, it's firmly founded within my walk. 2 Tim 3 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Doesn't seem like much wiggle room there...All Scripture is God-breathed. We see the Scriptures inspiration, and function. We don't worship the Bible but we do use it for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. We have confidence in the Bible because it is indeed all God-breathed.