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"I will vomit those lukewarm in their faith out of my mouth"

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jimbo99:
Right now, I am pretty much the definition of a lukewarm Christian, and probably will be for some time.  This scripture (too lazy to look up exactly where in the Bible it is now, my apologies) always disturbed me, making me think that only a handful of uber-Christians would be able to escape eternal damnation.  But that's not me and it never will be.  I will never try to poke my nose in who people marry/sleep with or what women do with their own bodies, I will never try to convert my friends, I will always respect their own personal beliefs, and I will especially never believe that everyone in the world deserves eternal torture for something that is beyond their control (having a sinful nature).  I am sure that God, if He exists, understands and respects where I'm coming from, having created me and all.  But enough of my soapbox lecture, what do you make of this apparent Bible threatening?

PaoloNuevo:
I hear there are ways of casting out spirits and diseases and the way its done is through vomit so the spirits can exit the body... Perhaps Jesus will vomit out the unclean and lukewarm spirits in you, that you may be pure after your period of backsliding?

This in no way affirms eternal damnation, but I believe is aligned with the same teachings that those fruitless branches that don't abide must be cut off to be pruned, or a cutting off from the brethren... e.g. hand over to Satan for destruction of the flesh but spirit saved on the day of the Lord Jesus... stuff like that...

shawn:



--- Quote from: PaoloNuevo on March 29, 2011, 04:14:50 AM ---I hear there are ways of casting out spirits and diseases and the way its done is through vomit so the spirits can exit the body... Perhaps Jesus will vomit out the unclean and lukewarm spirits in you, that you may be pure after your period of backsliding?

This in no way affirms eternal damnation, but I believe is aligned with the same teachings that those fruitless branches that don't abide must be cut off to be pruned, or a cutting off from the brethren... e.g. hand over to Satan for destruction of the flesh but spirit saved on the day of the Lord Jesus... stuff like that...

--- End quote ---

Yeah, I have to agree with your last paragraph.  There are consequences to walking our own path.  That certainly doesn't mean burning in hell for eternity.  God has his best in mind for us when he gives us an instruction book on holy living.  When we walk outside of that path, there will be some sort of correction.  Living how we see fit leads to death...there is no doubt in my mind about that.  I think most of us have found ourselves in the spot where you are at.  I took that path and it almost took my life and sanity.  Only by the grace of God was I delivered from that season of rebellion.  The desire for me to serve God with all of my heart took many years.  It came from the realization that my best plans gave birth to destruction in my life.  It took watching the hand of our God who loves us all agape, remove desires and move in me.  He moved in ways I couldn't do for myself. 

jabcat:

--- Quote from: shawn on March 29, 2011, 05:40:44 AM ---


--- Quote from: PaoloNuevo on March 29, 2011, 04:14:50 AM ---I hear there are ways of casting out spirits and diseases and the way its done is through vomit so the spirits can exit the body... Perhaps Jesus will vomit out the unclean and lukewarm spirits in you, that you may be pure after your period of backsliding?

This in no way affirms eternal damnation, but I believe is aligned with the same teachings that those fruitless branches that don't abide must be cut off to be pruned, or a cutting off from the brethren... e.g. hand over to Satan for destruction of the flesh but spirit saved on the day of the Lord Jesus... stuff like that...

--- End quote ---

Yeah, I have to agree with your last paragraph.  There are consequences to walking our own path.  That certainly doesn't mean burning in hell for eternity.  God has his best in mind for us when he gives us an instruction book on holy living.  When we walk outside of that path, there will be some sort of correction.  Living how we see fit leads to death...there is no doubt in my mind about that.  I think most of us have found ourselves in the spot where you are at.  I took that path and it almost took my life and sanity.  Only by the grace of God was I delivered from that season of rebellion.  The desire for me to serve God with all of my heart took many years.  It came from the realization that my best plans gave birth to destruction in my life.  It took watching the hand of our God who loves us all agape, remove desires and move in me.  He moved in ways I couldn't do for myself.

--- End quote ---

 :thumbsup:   Do we live "in the kingdom" (righteousness, peace, joy - closeness in relationship) or linger on the outskirts, perhaps even outside the gates? 

WhiteWings:
I'm not so sure it's about spirits.
I think it's more like constantly switching between beliefs.
If there is lukewarm there is also hot and cold.
Hot and cold are opposites; so at first thought if the spitting out is about a wrong religion then either hot or cold would be even more wrong as lukewarm.
So why is only the middle ground spit out?

Secondly if Jesus spits it out it is/was already in Him.....?

Could it for example be about Jews who follow Jesus but still do Temple sacrifices?

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