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Re: The 2nd biggest stumbling block (the aionios God)
« Reply #200 on: March 07, 2009, 08:37:14 AM »
Cardinal,

Basicly the problem is caused by this:
When judged the saints get aionios life and the wicked aionios torment.
The duraration of what they get is the same.
Elsewhere God is called aionios God. He existed forever so the ET argument is that the duration of the word is forever in all 3 cases.

Those who believe the wicked are anilihated argue the effect of the punishment is eternal. God is eternal. Life is eternal.

UR is a little more complex.
Some believe the word never means eternal. There are ages before and after.
Some believe the meaning of the word depends on the context in which it is read.

The purpose of the article on the site is to prove punishment (=ET hell) is not eternal.
So it's not about His Spirit or anyone elses spirit dying; but how long the suffering for that eternal spirit lasts.
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Re: The 2nd biggest stumbling block (the aionios God)
« Reply #201 on: March 07, 2009, 09:19:22 AM »
I've come across this interesting website:
http://www.mercifultruth.com/eternity.htm

If you scroll down you come to this section (although it's probably best to read from the beginning):

"The Truth about aionios-life (the life of the ages)
On stage the world over, Christians say: "Believe in Jesus, so that you can enter into eternal life when you die." Sounds great right? It is easily demonstrated how such a statement defiles the true victory of the cross, contradicts the Bible, and makes God a liar! How could that be? It be. Their argument is catastrophically flawed.

To understand why, let us immediately cut to to the truth: "aionios-life" is not immortality at all, and the Bible proves it! It was misunderstood by translators to be "everlasting life." But, the Bible provides very specific and explicit definitions for aionios-life and NOT ONE definition approaches the concept of being physically alive."

It goes on in great detail and seems to make good sense.  Any thoughts on this guys?  :grin:



Nice find, Cat.  :thumbsup:
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Re: The 2nd biggest stumbling block (the aionios God)
« Reply #202 on: March 07, 2009, 02:10:38 PM »
 :cloud9: thanks for summarizing that for me, WW......now I get what the "battle" is over.....Blessings.....
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Re: The 2nd biggest stumbling block (the aionios God)
« Reply #203 on: March 09, 2009, 03:30:18 AM »
Good article Cat - he has some links to Ray Smith's & Mike Vinson's writings...

He pointed out something I hadn't considered before, namely that the definition of "aionios life" is given in scripture:

John 17:3 and this is the life age-during [aionios], that they may know Thee, the only true God, and him whom Thou didst send -- Jesus Christ;


I will have to reread those articles again.

Legoman