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NinjaWizards777:
Forgive me if this is already a topic somewhere, but im in and out of this forum too much to know, anyway.

I noticed (and its been this way) any time I talk about UR with someone they like to play the "ARE YOU SAYING SATAN CAN BE SAVED?" as if that somehow trumps Gods all inclusive love. Have yet to understand why people really have a problem with that. they say naturally, that if we take "all in all" in 1 Corinthians 15 to be a literal all that Satan would have to be saved too!

While I dont disagree or necessarily agree (im undecided, I could frankly care less haha), id be interested to know what you think.

Oh and another thing I thought about is if "the last enemy to be destroyed is death" also includes all evil (including satan, if there is no good to be fostered from him), you could *perhaps* make a case that he doesnt necessarily have to be saved, but simply destroyed because there is no good in him and he served Gods purpose(unlike humans)

Raggedy Anne:
Well, who really has the definitive answer to any such questions?  People can't even agree on who/what Satan is.   My short answer that I conclude is that Satan/Evil/Death is destroyed which is apparently the result of a NEW CREATION when the 'former things' have passed away.   I have come to the conclusion that some things may always be mysterious to our limited minds.   God will do what is right.

Welcome to Tentmaker.

Anne

aspiring son:

--- Quote from: Raggedy Anne on August 15, 2009, 05:04:57 AM ---Well, who really has the definitive answer to any such questions?  People can't even agree on who/what Satan is.   My short answer that I conclude is that Satan/Evil/Death is destroyed which is apparently the result of a NEW CREATION when the 'former things' have passed away.   I have come to the conclusion that some things may always be mysterious to our limited minds.   God will do what is right.

Welcome to Tentmaker.

Anne

--- End quote ---

We know satan is recorded as this

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. Whe he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it." John 8-44

I agree with Anne. Through the word we have our origins of him, but how God will deal with him when all is said and done?

Eph 2 says he is the prince of the power of the air- a spirit. God will destroy all of the air that is not of him.

"So the Lord God said to the serpent:

Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all cattle,and more than every beast of the field;on your belly shall you go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life"  Gen 3 14
right now he feeds on dust(or the flesh); what will he feast on when all dust is conquered by the spirit? Perhaps he will starve and die.

Brandon

WhiteWings:

--- Quote from: NinjaWizards777 on August 15, 2009, 04:42:39 AM ---Forgive me if this is already a topic somewhere, but im in and out of this forum too much to know, anyway.

I noticed (and its been this way) any time I talk about UR with someone they like to play the "ARE YOU SAYING SATAN CAN BE SAVED?" as if that somehow trumps Gods all inclusive love.
--- End quote ---

Forasmuch, then, as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he, also, Himself, took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death that is, the devil. Heb. 2:14

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. I John 3:8

marie glen:
To me this fits under the verse Colossians 1:20 - New King James Version (NKJV) - "and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross."
- And whenever I read Psalm 41:9 (NKJV) "Even my own familiar friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted up his heel against me." Which David wrote and Jesus quoted at the last supper as being then fulfilled, I can't help also thinking of God and His once high angel Lucifer..

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