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micah7:9:

--- Quote from: marie glen on October 10, 2012, 12:09:52 AM ---To me this fits under the verse Colossians 1:20 - New King James Version (NKJV) - "and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross."
- And whenever I read Psalm 41:9 (NKJV) "Even my own familiar friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted up his heel against me." Which David wrote and Jesus quoted at the last supper as being then fulfilled, I can't help also thinking of God and His once high angel Lucifer..

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"I can't help also thinking of God and His once high angel Lucifer.."  that is a bogus an assumed speculation, birthed in the imagination of religious theology,  with no biblical proof what so ever. (please do not offer Ezk. 28 or Isa. 14 that IS the exact imagination, assumption within religious theology. There is in not ONE verse of scripture that verifies that theological view, denominational BS.
I for one am weary of the false teaching.

sheila:
 well the way He reconciled the Heavens was to cast satan out....... there was 'war' in heaven because

  of his presence...Jesus rising was satans falling......he is named the dragon in heaven...

   the original serpent in the garden..the beast when operative..the false prophet where active there..

   satan when abyssed and set free...gog's armies when encamped around/against the camp

  of the Holy city...son of perdition when he entered Judas...offspring of vipers when he dwelt

  in the Pharisees sadducees...man of lawlessness when he entered/slipped in amongst the church


   he is a tool...Father has consistently cut him down to size little by little.God raises the humble/lowly

  and lowers the prideful..as leviathan he is king over all the prideful


 
  thinking he was equal to God but just of another nature..........

   Father made satan of everything He is not..everything that Father rejected is in satan...and will be rejected

  of Him eternally=everlasting cutting off=2nd death[p.s. he was first cutt off from heavens..then earth..

  now...He has shown forth through Adam that bears the image of the corrupt..what happens to corruption

  death/cutoff from life/God.  Judas also showed this..when satan entered him and he took on image

  of son of perdition[liar/theif/satn]  l...proselytesliar/theif is twofold child of hell......

   flesh man that served as examples of this adversarial tool spirit..always showed God's judgement

    it is the same principal as the election of God..before either did anything good or evil..the choice was God's

   I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy....mercy to man through Son to take away..into everlasting

  cutting off..our sins[adversarial opposition to God]

Lazarus Short:
We can argue this and argue this, but God's Word is fairly silent on the subject.  I will say this much, that OUR salvation as human beings is wholly dependent on the sacrifice of Jesus and His having been born into the human race.  Thus, He is our kinsman and redeemer.  Satan and his host of fallen angels do not share that relationship with God, and cannot, because they do not reproduce, so Jesus cannot become their kinsman/redeemer.  If God is going to save them, it will have to be by other means, unknown to us.

BTW, I believe that all the strange biological probes being done by "aliens" are attempts by demons to insinuate themselves into the human gene pool - a desparate attempt to come under the umbrella of the redeemed kinsmen of Jesus.  It will not work. :doh:

sheila:
WELL IF SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS 'DO NOT REPRODUCE' THEN WHO ARE THE OFFSPRING OF VIPERS?

  DWELLING IN MEN? :eek:  SEDUCING SPIRITS STILL ENTER IN AS SIN IN MANKIND TO THIS VERY TIME

  THAT IS WHY HE SEPERATES US FROM THEM.

   I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING......WHEN SATAN'S ANGELS DWELT IN HEAVEN THEY WERE IN

  INCORRUPTIBLE BODIES THAT WOULD NOT RESPOND TO EVIL IMPULSES FROM EVIL SPIRIT

......THE NAKED FLESH OF ADAM AND EVE WAS LIKE 'JAILBAIT' TO THIS PERVERTED SPIRIT...

  CAUSING THEM TO LEAVE THEIR HABITATIONS IN HEAVEN[GARMENT OF INCORRUPTION]

  TO CARRY OUT THEIR EVIL LUSTS IN THE FLESH OF MEN..AND BECOME 'ONE' IN UNION

  WITH FLESH OF MAN..SIN IN FLESH CONDEMNED IN ALL MEN........

  TOKOGAE HAS MANKIND JOINED WITH EVIL SPIRIT CONTRAST AT WORK IN FLESH AS SIN

  ADAM 'KNEW" EVE=BECOME ONE FLESH/UNION TO BRING FORTH FRUIT...

   THERE IS ENMITY BETWEEN THE SEED OF THE WOMAN AND OF THE SERPENT

sheila:
 BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE POST..DEMONS SAY 'I KNOW WHO YOU ARE JESUS,THE HOLY ONE OF GOD,

 DID YOU COME TO TORMENT US BEFORE THE TIME?' AND BECAUSE OF THIS JESUS WOULD SAY

  SUCH THINGS LIKE 'COME OUT OF HIM"..OR SUCH THINGS AS 'YOU OFFSPRING OF VIPERS

  WHO WILL SAVE YOU"

  WE ARE NOT TO JUDGE BY THE APPEARANCE OF THE EYES..BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS

 IN THE UNSEEN/SPIRITUAL REALM THAT EYES OF MAN HAVE NOT SEEN...AND EARS OF MAN

  HAVE NOT HEARD...BOTH THE GOOD SPIRIT OF GOD AND THE EVIL SPIRIT CONTRAST

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