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omantodd2000:
Wow there is some interesting things said here. I would offer a bit of advice to put some study into the meaning of the words satan, devil, and lucifer in the bible. As a former believer in a physical satan I can understand how it can be confusing. Lucifer is really nothing more than the morning star and is only used once to refer to a King in the OT. Nothing to do with supernatural being. satan comes from the Hebrew and simply means adversary and can represent anything that opposes. There is no supernatural being called satan and anything that is an adversary can be a satan.  There is no reason for me to go into much detail as there is already plenty of information about these word studies available online from UR believers like E.H. Lake ( and non UR believers like the Christadelphians.  Here is a few links for anyone that is interested and reads this.

http://books.google.com/books?id=mdJ2Oa4h-hgC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://wrestedscripture.com/b07satan/satan.html 

Molly:
You might call a man 'the prosecutor,' but he's still a man.  The Bible also calls him the nephesh, Lucifer, and leviathan.  The new testament calls him,

...the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan..

[and says he is bound for 1000 years.]

I'm just saying, there is a debate about who or what is Satan.

micah7:9:
We know satan is recorded as this

"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. Whe he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it." John 8-44 (Aspiring Son)

1Co 15:28  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Now ALL is All correct? And we know who satan/devil is and that ALL things will be subdued unto Him.

eaglesway:
IMO there is way too much speculation about Lucifer/Satan/the adversary that goes on based on a few obscure prophetic verses of scripture that honest minds can read differently. At present we know that whoever he ever was, now he is the father of lies, author of confusion, murderer, ruler of the hosts of wickedness, spirit that works in the sons of disobedience, etc.

 I personally have never seen any scripture that indicates that the adversary evr led Jesus. I agree with Micah tho, one thing we know is that eventually all things will be reconciled, and Colossians pretty clearly defines that as everything He created, everything He is over, everything he came before.....hey, that's evryone and everything!

 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
 
 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation

micah7:9:

--- Quote from: eaglesway on December 15, 2012, 06:34:08 PM ---IMO there is way too much speculation about Lucifer/Satan/the adversary that goes on based on a few obscure prophetic verses of scripture that honest minds can read differently. At present we know that whoever he ever was, now he is the father of lies, author of confusion, murderer, ruler of the hosts of wickedness, spirit that works in the sons of disobedience, etc.

 I personally have never seen any scripture that indicates that the adversary evr led Jesus. I agree with Micah tho, one thing we know is that eventually all things will be reconciled, and Colossians pretty clearly defines that as everything He created, everything He is over, everything he came before.....hey, that's evryone and everything!

 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
 
 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation

--- End quote ---

Amen. As for Jesus being led by the adversary, nope...Mat 4:1  Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

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