This just maybe my folly, but why do you suppose great preachers and evangelists such as D.L.Moody, Charles Spurgen, Calvin, Johnathan Edwards, who surely read the Word of God, that spoke greatly of God's love, chose to preach a message to millions of how that God of love would carry such a vendetta, that was so hateful.
How is it they chose a message of fear rather than love to win, as they said, souls?
I know why today that message is preached, contend if you will, but it is for money.
Thanks and Peace.
I believe "we" often interpret and understand the scriptures through the lense of what we've been taught and what tradition and "orthodoxy" tell us is acceptable and what we are to believe. People in religion talk of orthodoxy as if it's a good thing; you know, there's a certain set of beliefs, that to be accepted, one has to adhere to. I think those things can intensely color our view. I've known hundreds if not thousands of ET believers, they were not just about money or hate, or retribution. They thought they were pleasing God by believing "what [they thought] He said". (Most mainstream translations still have the translational errors re: 'hell' from the KJV. So it's "what the Bible says". :(
I absolutely agree . . .but am a bit perplexed due to the fact that it felt like I came under a bit of an attack when "I" said something quite similar to this. Perhaps the oversight may be when I take it to the next level by stating I don't base my belief on what "I think" Scripture says. I base it on the Word written "in" me, the sound that comes from within is that which transforms my inward thinking so that my outward actions manifest according to what which can't be seen.
The argument has been "how do you KNOW the difference between what God is saying and what your own mind is thinking?" And my answer to that would be, only God's word in us produces God's nature out of us. If the end result is not love, joy, peace, patience . . .on and on, then you know it's from the mind and not from the Spirit. But I do believe that's why there are so many differences of beliefs. There's been a blending of spiritual and natural. There have not been pure birthings of spiritual truths, but instead, there's been a mixture.
We've been going through Genesis again and last night I came across the passage that speaks about Esau saw that Abraham charged Jacob "not" to marry a Canaanite woman. Esau had already married two by then. So . . .IN AN ATTEMPT to also get a blessing from Abraham, preferably the blessing already given to Jacob, which by then was too late anyway. But in "HIS ATTEMPT" to obtain the blessing, he went not to Isaacs side of the family, but he went to ISHMAEL'S side, and married one of "his" daughters.
I was just floored by the symbolism in this. Ishmael is the offspring of what happens when his Father took matters into his own hands and the seed of promise did "not" continue on in his bloodline, even though he "was" the eldest child, the blessing was given to Isaac, the younger brother because the promise was that Abraham and his wife would have a child, not Abraham and a servant who was UNDER his wife's control.
So when Esau tries to get a blessing from "his" Father, he still doesn't understand where it comes from. He marries a daughter of Ishmael, the one cast out of the family as a means to try to find favor with his Father for something that has already been passed on. Not only did he miss the boat by marrying a daughter of Ishmael, but he married this woman to ADD TO THE WIVES HE ALREADY HAD . . .and THAT'S where I see the connection with mainline churches. This idea of hell and eternal torment is something they've ADDED TO what they already beleive. Even though it's a doctrine from the lineage of Ishmael. There's no blessing to pass on. There's only more frustration and despair. Even though Esau married this woman, he still had murder in his heart. He wanted to kill Jacob. We have brothers out there that have murder in their hearts, they want to kill this gift of seeing that God is just that great that when he sent Jesus, it wasn't as an option for us to choose or not to choose. He sent Jesus as the SOLUTION to bring US ALL back into alignment with the Father.
The Ishmael religion can not sustain itself. But the Jacob anointing, now that's a whole other matter.