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Nathan:

--- Quote from: shawn on November 18, 2011, 05:08:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: myrddin on November 14, 2011, 09:38:55 PM ---Could be money or acceptance from ones peers.  Another motivation is that people find enough reason (that is, God moves on their hearts and minds) to believe in God and the Scriptures, and they love God.  But they prepare for the worst (i.e., the doctrine of ET), and grit their teeth and try to devise ways to make it, if not palatable, acceptable to their wounded and confused (about the character of God) minds.  I would think most Christians who accept ET and take Scripture seriously are like this.

Pastors are in a hard spot, because they subscribe to doctrinal statements which include ET, even if it's an understated tenet.  What would happen to their jobs and their families if they came out of the closet and recognized the truth of universal reconciliation?

And yeah, it could also be that a veil is over their hearts.  One was over mine for years/decades.  I knew I'd have to come to grips with Hell, but never did until 6 months ago.

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I think this is very level headed.  I think it's tempting to demonize those that teach and accept hellfire doctrine.  My spirit never accepted ET...but my mind was controlled by doctrine and what I believed was irrefutable Scriptural evidence of hellfire.  I too tried to water down hellfire, and was actually embarassed to share the gospel because of it.  How could I possibly answer peoples questions about God's love and hell?  I couldn't.  And I grew spiritually sick.  I no more wanted to believe ET than anyone else.  I just felt I had to give up the rest of the gospel if I gave up ET.  And, I believe that's where many stand who are believers.

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 :Urock:

GodIsLove:

--- Quote from: micah7:9 on August 20, 2011, 10:07:40 PM ---This just maybe my folly, but why do you suppose great preachers and evangelists such as D.L.Moody,  Charles Spurgen, Calvin, Johnathan Edwards, who surely read the Word of God, that spoke greatly of God's love, chose to preach a message to millions of how that God of love would carry such a vendetta, that was so hateful.
How is it they chose a message of fear rather than love to win, as they said, souls?
I know why today that message is preached, contend if you will, but it is for money.

Thanks and Peace.  :Peace:

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That's a really good question. I wonder the same thing too because those guys were more read than me and you. And many of them seemed to Love God and people.

Even a guy named Paul Washer I sometimes listen to is pretty strong about hell.... although I've never actually heard any preacher say that "hell" is a place a real physical pain. Have any of you guys?

ded2daworld:
I heard it all the time in every Baptist church I was in. I heard it at a Miami mission for drunks. I've heard it at Assembly of God churches when I was investigating the tongues phenomena. I was also a trucker and every truckstop had sermons from local preachers for free on tapes and almost everyone of them talked of eternal physical, concious pain. BTW, I really used to like Paul Washer too and had both his books. In fact he may have been the last straw before I became UR because he was certainly preaching a different God than the one I loved for over 35 years.
Hey, "A different God" sounds like a good title for a UR book! :laughing7:

eaglesway:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on December 03, 2012, 04:46:13 PM ---I heard it all the time in every Baptist church I was in. I heard it at a Miami mission for drunks. I've heard it at Assembly of God churches when I was investigating the tongues phenomena. I was also a trucker and every truckstop had sermons from local preachers for free on tapes and almost everyone of them talked of eternal physical, concious pain. BTW, I really used to like Paul Washer too and had both his books. In fact he may have been the last straw before I became UR because he was certainly preaching a different God than the one I loved for over 35 years.
Hey, "A different God" sounds like a good title for a UR book! :laughing7:

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Sounds like a great title for your testimony about the journey you took to your persuasion of ultimate universal reconciliation, the salvation of all :o)

Wayfaring Stranger:

--- Quote from: micah7:9 on August 21, 2011, 12:24:00 AM ---Yeah your correct, its just that these men really read the Bible, a lot, and still came up with such fearful preaching of a God of Love.
Is just a mind boggler for me that they would zero in on such a vengeful teaching to "save" souls to a loving God.  :sigh:

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"8 for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,

9 not of works, that no one may boast;

10 for of Him we are workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God did before prepare, that in them we may walk."- Ephesians 2:8-10

"14 What, then, shall we say? unrighteousness [is] with God? let it not be!

15 for to Moses He saith, `I will do kindness to whom I do kindness, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion;'

16 so, then -- not of him who is willing, nor of him who is running, but of God who is doing kindness:

17 for the Writing saith to Pharaoh -- `For this very thing I did raise thee up, that I might shew in thee My power, and that My name might be declared in all the land;'

18 so, then, to whom He willeth, He doth kindness, and to whom He willeth, He doth harden.

19 Thou wilt say, then, to me, `Why yet doth He find fault? for His counsel who hath resisted?'

20 nay, but, O man, who art thou that art answering again to God? shall the thing formed say to Him who did form [it], Why me didst thou make thus?

21 hath not the potter authority over the clay, out of the same lump to make the one vessel to honour, and the one to dishonour?"- Romans 9:14-21

The verses in Roman recall that in Exodus God hardened Pharaoh's heart so that he wouldn't listen to Moses and God continually plagued Egypt.  Why?

"16 And yet for this I have caused thee to stand, so as to show thee My power, and for the sake of declaring My Name in all the earth"- Exodus 9:16

God can use all situations and all men to advance His Will.  Faith in God and the ability to declare Christ Jesus as the Lord and Savior of the world is a gift and comes from the Almighty.  Theologians, pastors, preachers, priests, bishops, and popes can read God's Word from cover to cover continually until they die and never understand it unless God gives them "ears to hear and eyes to see."

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