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eaglesway:
    Hell, I don't know what to think about a God who sends his seed into a virgin, announced by angels as GOOD NEWS for ALL people, all the while hiding the punch line ("All but a few good Christians and Jews are going to burn in hell forever") beneath the robes and suits of priests and preachers who look like cartoons characters and sound like used car salesmen.
    Seems like a waste of effort and suffering by a well-intentioned son of God - spent hopelessly and doomed to futility. Why would a singular God, a monotheistic, creative, loving being PLAN such an enterprise. If all things are from God (whether through the engines of physics, chemistry and biology, or through the engine of direct creative commands makes no difference in this paradigm) why would He concoct such a doom.

Perhaps it went like this......

   "Now, let's see. I am getting a little bored out here in the ethereal universe. I have created some angels to sing to me, and I have You my Son always here with me and wthin me but, I think we need a BIG JOB to do. A challenge worthy of God, Me, the GREAT I AM. Hmmmmm, What could it be. Hmmmm. All together now HMMMMMMMM. Lets all ask WHY now..... HYMMMMMMMMM.
Let's sing about it now HIMMMMMMMMMMMM. Uh huh, That's right, its comin to me now, OH YEAH. (God meditates to Hmmmms lasting a few billion millenia of eterni-time as He puts together His plan for the ages of man).

Ok y'all, here we go. I have a plan, that barring surprises, is destined to fail miserably. It would not be worthy of Me, it would not test Me, to create a successful world so listen up. I am going to induce upon My creation, and My Son, and thereby Myself (since I am the progenitor of all things naturally I will feel the pain of my entire creation) the most sublime agony and incredible tragedy of loss and betrayal imaginable. ONLY I could imagine it. Think about it. I create man. I give man a free will and to prove it- I create an option for him that leads to ENDLESS SUFFERING AND UNIMAGINABLE PAIN. Ok, whuduya think so far? Here, listen up. A virgin, young, beautiful, wholesome, pure. I impregnate her with a seed that has within in it EVERYTHING THAT IS WONDERFUL. She bears a beautiful child, the ONLY BEGOTTEN CHILD OF GOD. This child is destined to do WONDERFUL THINGS and declare BEAUTIFUL TRUTHS about love and life and forgiveness and grace. He will live a life of perfect love, never harm a soul, never tell a lie, give life to the dead, sight to the blind and heal the sick and the PRIESTS AND PREACHERS will HATE HIM AND KILL HIM FOR IT. Sounds right on eh? HE WILL DIE TO SAVE THEM RIGHT?!! But here's the punchline, this is where it will all go off the tracks!
 
THE WHOLE PLAN WILL FAIL!!! GET IT?!

 Only a few will believe in him. Only a few of them will believe well enough to please me, AND I WILL BURN THE REST OF THEM FOREVER FOR MAKING THE WRONG CHOICE! HAHA! I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR IT! I WILL FAIL TO SAVE THEM. HAHA! THEY WILL SUFFER FOREVER. Whadya think!!!! WHAT A PLAN EH!

Then , with my little club of good Jews and Christians, I will sit and sing HMMMMMMMMMMS forever while the damned scream in the backgound- a perfect contrast to the love and joy the blessed will receive- AND, here it the REALLY IRONIC PART. I will choose the ones who will be blessed and the ones who will suffer- BEFORE I START THE WHOLE MATRIX OF EVENTS THAT WILL LEAD TO THIS CATASTROPHIC NEVER ENDING FAILURE OF GRACE.
All of you, Now FALL DOWN AND WORSHIP ME. No one else could have thought of such a plan. I AM, and I AM etrnally pleased with myself. So OK BOYS AND GIRLS, LETS ROLL,

In the beginning the earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep, and the Spirt of God brooded over the face of the waters and God said, LET THERE BE LIGHT! And so it was that LIGHT BECAME, and God saw that it was good.

Really? God saw that it was good? This plan to bind most of His creation in CHAINS OF EVERLASTING DARKNESS? I don't think so.

Here what I think. People who worship this god are worshipping a FIGMENT OF THEIR OWN IMAGINATION, however well intentioned, however studied and ritually disciplined. The gods of the Greeks and the Romans and the Hindus and the Egyptians were these kinds of capricious gods. Has Christian religion been so invaded by these 'elementary principles' of carnal men that it NO LONGER REPRESENTS THE TRUTH? To a great extent, Yes! I think so! It is NOT GOOD NEWS. It is not THE GOSPEL. It is like the religion of the SAMARITANS. Riddled with lies and distortions and false gods and corrupt altars and temples.

For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written.
(Rom 2:24)


So WHAT THE HELL ARE RATIONAL PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO THINK WHEN THEY HEAR THIS GOSPEL. Should they fall down on their knees? Should they SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO THE DISSEMINATORS OF THIS DISTORTION? If they CANNOT BRING THEMSELVES TO DO SO SHOULD THEY BE PUNISHED? CORRECTED?

Maybe the ones who publish these lies will be corrected, by the ones WHO COULD NOT SWALLOW IT DOWN. (Rom 2:9-16)

Jesus is the name of the ONE WHO DIED TO SAVE ALL. The NAME is representative of the CHARACTER OF THE ONE WHO BEARS IT. To call upon the NAME OF THE LORD is to call upon the radiance of the Father's Glory and the EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS NATURE(Hebrews 1:1).

If the Jesus being preached is not THE EXACT REPRESENTATION OF THE FATHER"S NATURE..... it is ANOTHER JESUS. It is ANOTHER GOSPEL.The only way into the SHEEPFOLD, the only way to come in as A SHEPHERD, is THROUGH THE DOOR.

Jesus the ONE is that door. Not Jesus the LETTERS. JESUS THE ICON/IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE ALMIGHTY GOD WHO ALONE DWELLS IN UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT.
The Son has REVEALED HIM. It is the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST that is the Spirit of Prophecy. His testimony?

I DID NOT COME TO JUDGE THE WORLD BUT THAT THE WORLD MIGHT BE SAVED THROUGH ME.

IF I BE LIFTED UP I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME.

BEHOLD I AM MAKING ALL THINGS NEW

 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are lost, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the Light of the Good News of the Glory of Christ, who is the Image of God. For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
(2Co 4:1-6)

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
(Heb 1:1-3)





jugghead:
In due time it shall be revealed to them and they shall know the glory of the Lord. It is in this that I find the peace of God.

Molly:

--- Quote ---Think about it. I create man. I give man a free will and to prove it- I create an option for him that leads to ENDLESS SUFFERING AND UNIMAGINABLE PAIN. Ok, whuduya think so far?
--- End quote ---

Think about this.  You create man, and every thought of his heart is evil, all day long.  What do you think about that?


5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
 
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.


--Gen 6

reFORMer:
Thank you eaglesway.  A wonderful meditation.  We could add that since God's purpose in making mankind is to make them in His own image and likeness so He can have intimate fellowship with them and for them to have dominion over His works, this means the "saved" must become Master Torturers.  There simply is no way around it.  Like Father, like son.  (I don't think so!)

They did this in the Inquisition, saying they were consigning us to temporal flames in order to save us from our Father's eternal flames.  We'ver seen these spirits still at work in certain clay vessels of our day.  Of course this is very little like God making us like Himself.

eaglesway:

--- Quote from: jugghead on August 07, 2012, 12:51:03 PM ---In due time it shall be revealed to them and they shall know the glory of the Lord. It is in this that I find the peace of God.

--- End quote ---

Yes Jugghead, in due time, an administration suitable to the fulness of times will come to its conclusion. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD to the Glory of God the Father. Then Jesus will return the kingdom to the Father who subjected all things to him and gathered all things into one IN HIM and God will be all in all. YAYYYYY!!!!

NO MORE RULE POWER OR AUTHORITY, because EVRYONE WILL BE FILLED UP TO ALL THE FULNESS OF GOD,each in the measure apportioned to them of the Father, all totally ONE in the love of God.

The real plan is so awesome and wonderful :o)

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