willieH: Hi A_N...
How do you reconcile the teaching of hebrews 10 with UR? This is a big obstacle for me right now.
Sorry A_N... but FEAR
is NOT a part of the GOSPEL
This is what the SPIRIT says:1 John 4:18 There is NO FEAR in LOVE... but PERFECT LOVE ...casteth OUT fear... because FEAR hath TORMENT... He that FEARETH is NOT MADE perfect [complete] in LOVE...
The FIRE of GOD... is not to be FEARED
as in "afraid"... it is to be FEARED as in "RESPECTED"... there IS a BIG difference...
If one has no RESPECT for the FIRE of GOD... by continuing to ignore His commands... then the FIRE shall eliminate his WORK, but SHALL SAVE him BY that FIRE... (1 Cor 3:11-15)
Look closer A_N, ...Hebrews 10
does not teach that SALVATION is eliminated now does it? Where is this stated?
It proposes that JUDGMENT and FIERY indignation is to be (Heb 10:27)
, but what is the end result of that? (Is 26:9)
Do we not search the Scripture to interpret for us that result? Such as I have already mentioned? (1 Cor 3:11-15)
We are not the adversaries of GOD... our SIN is His adversary...
GOD's wrath is against
... MEN... not against the MEN themselves! (Rom 1:18)
ALL MEN ...A_N, without favoring one over the other (Acts 10:34 / Rom 2:11 / Gal 2:6 / Eph 6:9 / Job 34:19)
...we are the prize which CHRIST
... has RESTORED!
WE are the objects of HIS LOVE for which He sent HIS SON to redeem A_N!
And there is NO PAYMENT which ANY MAN can either offer or provide, which shall establish ATONEMENT, nor RESTORE us to GOD... Only the SALVATION provided through CHRIST
can do this for us...
Do you think for a moment that your actions are a determining factor in your Salvation? If this is so, ...then works of men are that
which obtains Salvation...
Which proposal finds itself contrary to Eph 2:8-10
That IS NOT what Scripture notes... Only CHRIST
can make such a restortation... And it IS
, ...HIS WORK to do so... and He
stated that ALL shall benefit of that work (John 12:32)JESUS
was noted as the Lamb which TAKETH AWAY the SIN of the WORLD... (John 1:29)
He also said that "It IS
FINISHED"... (John 19:30)
What was finished?
Was it not HIS ...WORK?
What He CAME to DO?
...To SEEK and to SAVE that which was LOST? (Luke 19:10)
There are 2 aspects of CHRIST's
work... one was to COVER
sin in those which were ordained to walk in His footsteps in this dark world... (Eph 2:10)
The other, and most important, was to SAVE those which were LOST... which includes ALL
... for ALL
have sinned and come short of the GLORY of GOD... (Rom 3:23)
, and are therefore in NEED of Him...
is found to be a COVERING of SIN from the exposure of SHAME before the LIGHT of YHVH
) (Rev 3:18)
GOD notes that we must FORGIVE our ENEMIES... and in the SPIRITUAL vision of this command, we thereby make FRIENDS of them THROUGH FORGIVENESS... do you not see this?
If THIS is the manner in which WE are COMMANDED to conduct ourselves concerning enemies... then HOW shall GOD deal with His? By TORMENTING THEM?
By KILLING THEM? What's your take?
How do YOU picture UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, as dealing with those which it LOVES?
picture GOD as a cosmic BULLY which is INFINITE in POWER, and yet, stoops to "beating up" on CLAY which HE CREATED, and which HE has given the ability to TRANSGRESS... what kind of "mental case" have we
thereby made of GOD?
Don't know of your life experiences A_N, but as a father of 3, Grandfather of 9 (almost 10), husband of 32 years... my experience with LOVE, is that these I have just listed are IMPORTANT to a degree of SELFLESS dedication to them...
Nothing they shall or can do... shall detemine my LOVE for them... My LOVE for them is that they are precious beyond price or deed... Hebrews 10
does not refute UR in any way... for UR is the naming of SALVATION for ALL, and Hebrews 10
says absolutely NOTHING about eliminating any
If it does, please NAME the verse within Hebrews 10
that says so...
And if you cannot name this verse, then what's the problem?