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ET believer's responses to questions about hell

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Jon:
Hi all,

Just wondering what others' thoughts might be on this article I ran into - http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hello.html - in which answers are given by a believer in endless torment to various questions posed.

Can't say it's convinced me, but I can at least appreciate Holding's willingness to make some attempt to tackle the tough questions which the concept of an everlasting hell inevitably raises as well as the refreshingly calm manner in which he presents his arguments.

FineLinen:

--- Quote --- Sheol is primarily a destination for the ungodly. The righteous only envisage Sheol as their destiny at times when they are afflicted or in great danger, or face an unhappy or untimely death. However, mention of Sheol is conspicuously absent from accounts of those who die at the end of a full and happy life. [81-2] The location, abilities, and destiny of such persons after death is not specified; so it is wrong to say that even good people go to Sheol in the OT.
--- End quote ---

Quite to the contrary, sh@`owl in the Old Covenant is the destination for all, and not the destination for the ungodly only. A study of the sh@`owl passages translated as hell/ pit/ grave in the K.J.V. seems abundantly clear. How any individual can project everlasting terror into any of these passages is one of the great musterion secrets of theology.  :dontknow:

"And the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations. And there shall no longer be a curse upon anything."

Sh@`owl=

HERE

Jon:
I'm inclined to agree, and would add that it's hardly surprising if the word "Sheol" and with the meaning "grave" should be used negatively in the OT if it had anything like the negative connotations that the word "grave" tends to have in English among religious and nonreligious folks alike (since the belief in an afterlife does not guarantee that one will view death in a favourable light, be that a good or a bad thing).

If some of the righteous in OT times did indeed fear going to a Christian-type hell in times of distress, are we supposed to infer that their faith wasn't as strong as we may have been led to believe it was, and that they went through periods of suspecting that post-mortem punishment awaited them despite apparently being right with God?

Kratos:
If I am not mistaken, sheol to the Jews was just the grave and was just a place of awaiting the resurrection and judgment. It is human nature to fear death and the grave regardless of how we live. The idea of two sections of Hell where one is bliss for the righteous and the other torment for those who were not is only found in a parable in the New Testament. It is not in the Old Testament or believed by the Jews as I understand it.

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