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Offline Gary Amirault

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Dear Rev Pearson
« on: September 24, 2007, 07:43:33 PM »
The following is an email I received this week. I referred the person to here for the answer to his email. Have a go at it. By the way, we need to come up with a system to collect all these answers into a large database. Please email me for some recommendations for the best way to do this.:

Dear Rev. Pearson: I saw your interview tonight on 50/50. I am not going to write you and condemn you for what you believe, but I am telling you that I going to start praying that the Lord will help you see the error in your thinking.
I was teaching a SS class today based on Gen 3. It was very clear that Satan is the great deceiver and I believe that you have been also. Why would Jesus ever need to die on the cross if God is love and so, everyone will go to heaven.
This gives me permission to do whatever I want because the Lord will not hold it against me, and so, why have the 10 Commandments, let us call them the 10 suggestions.
There are many things that none of us have answers as a follower of Christ. But I do know that He will chasten those He loves and I have experienced that love.
May the Lord show Himself to you in a new and fresh way, I will be praying for you.
Love in My Savor, Jesus Christ.
Joe

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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2007, 08:14:13 PM »
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Why would Jesus ever need to die on the cross if God is love and so, everyone will go to heaven.

Had Jesus not died on the cross, had Jesus not risen from the dead, no one could be saved.

The salvation of all mankind is dependent upon Christ's death for them and resurrection. The salvation of all mankind is not independent from what Christ has accomplished.

Jesus is the only way to salvation.

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This gives me permission to do whatever I want because the Lord will not hold it against me, and so, why have the 10 Commandments, let us call them the 10 suggestions.

What you just said does not make sense. The Bible is very clear that all believers must give an account before Christ. As a matter of fact, we believers are judged now so we will not be condemned with the world (1 Cor.11:32). So, even though we believe God will in fact save all mankind, this does not give us a license to go out and sin like most Christians who believe in Eternal Torment.

Why have the ten commandments? The 10 are not for us Gentiles. They were given to Circumcising Jews. If we try to do the law to maintain righteousness then we fall out of grace. Read Galatians. We just naturally fulfill the requirements of the law by loving God and one another.

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does not necessarily mean He won't.

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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 06:20:23 AM »
Joe,

I appreciate your kindness and concern. I used to have the same questions that you have.

I think our biggest problem as traditional Christians is that we tend to see life on this planet from our point of view. It looks a lot different from God's.

This is all God's story, not ours. If God loves all of His creation enough to send His son to die and conquer death for us, after we went our own way, seems to me like all we need to do is say...thank you, Lord! That's how everyone goes to Heaven...by the work of the cross.

Eternity in hell was never the wages of sin. Death was. Christ tasted death for all of us. The hell words have meaning but not like we were brought up to believe. Study them out, if this is a real concern of yours.

When we see the love of God, firsthand, the last thing we WANT to do is deliberately sin. It really sounds to me like you are still somewhat depending on the things you do or not do to be totally accepted by God...is this right?

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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2007, 10:00:28 AM »
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Dear Rev. Pearson: I saw your interview tonight on 50/50. I am not going to write you and condemn you for what you believe, but I am telling you that I going to start praying that the Lord will help you see the error in your thinking.
I was teaching a SS class today based on Gen 3. It was very clear that Satan is the great deceiver and I believe that you have been also. Why would Jesus ever need to die on the cross if God is love and so, everyone will go to heaven.
This gives me permission to do whatever I want because the Lord will not hold it against me, and so, why have the 10 Commandments, let us call them the 10 suggestions.
There are many things that none of us have answers as a follower of Christ. But I do know that He will chasten those He loves and I have experienced that love.
May the Lord show Himself to you in a new and fresh way, I will be praying for you.
Love in My Savor, Jesus Christ.
Joe

Dear Joe

When truth is revealed by our Father, your response is typical of all evangelical Christians that do not believe in a God that is able to save all.

Without going into too much detail, one question.

How was it possible for you to accept the Gift of salvation without the unction of the Holy Spirit?

Rom 5:5  And hope does not make us ashamed, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit given to us.

1Co 12:3  Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus is a curse, and that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.


We are no longer under the law and no the commandments of God are not suggestions.  If you see yourself under the law, then you need to repent of dead works.  You cannot add one iota to your salvation through Jesus Christ, He said "It is finished". Do we therefor live unrighteous lives? No.  The Holy Spirit convicts us when we transgress, not the letter of the law.

2Co 3:6  who also has made us able ministers of the new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive

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There are many things that none of us have answers as a follower of Christ. But I do know that He will chasten those He loves and I have experienced that love.
May the Lord show Himself to you in a new and fresh way, I will be praying for you

We also believe in chastening, just the chastening does not last forever.  The Lord has shown Himself in a new way to many of us.  Why not to you?  You would imply we are deceived.  That is not so.  I do not know what or how you believe that belief in Eternal Torment (ET) makes you a better person.  You say you have experienced that love?  Share that Love (without the threat of ET), see how much more effective your witness can be.

I suggest prayer for yourself.  Ask God to reveal His true self to you, you will be amazed how much more pleasant it is to serve a righteous God.

We will pray for you too.

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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2007, 07:36:20 PM »
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This gives me permission to do whatever I want because the Lord will not hold it against me, and so, why have the 10 Commandments, let us call them the 10 suggestions.
There are many things that none of us have answers as a follower of Christ. But I do know that He will chasten those He loves and I have experienced that love.
May the Lord show Himself to you in a new and fresh way, I will be praying for you.
Love in My Savor, Jesus Christ.
Joe


Joe,

Yes, you have permission to do whatever you want, so did paul (1Cor. 6:12) ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL UNTO ME, but all things are not expediant {or profitable} . Doesn't it make more sense that God would want us to reverence him out of love and not fear of what he will do to us?

Yes, he chastens us out of love but not for always, that wouldn't be love. Would you chasten your child forever? God loves us much more than we will ever love our children.

I pray that God will show you who he is and that you will come to know his never ending love.

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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2007, 08:42:18 PM »
 :cloud9: If you get set free of the law of sin and death and have the freedom to do whatever you want, you find it was a "fleece" of sorts. You do have the freedom to do whatever you want, but the "joke" was on you because while He was busy working behind the scenes getting you to that point, only afterwards do you discover that He has removed the desire to do anything apart from His perfect will. So do you really have freedom, or was your will just swallowed by the whale, Jonah?  :mshock:   :laughing7:  Blessings to you in your search.....
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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 04:33:39 AM »
I did a whole lot of sinning before the Lord finally got ahold of my heart and I can tell you this; the price I paid for my sin was much higher than any of the rewards I received from them. Yes, there is pleasure in sin, but only for awhile.....then payday comes. Out of wedlock pregnancies, alcoholism, drug addiction, loss of families, loss of jobs, depression, loss of friendships. The list can go on and on. Why would anyone want to continue in sin when the price is so high? :dontknow:

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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 12:55:54 PM »
Dear Joe

If you read this thread, then I would like to consider signing up for discussion.

Unlike other forums where Universalists are branded as heretics, you will not find that spirit here.  We do not call people out on their beliefs.

One of the biggest enemies we face are those claiming to understand UR but are still very immature and generally go off half-cock and offend other brethren.  There are also some that hold to beliefs we do not all share in and some who have high Internet visibility also do not portray the general message we hold to here at Tentmaker.

It is ironic that the few things we disagree on causes such heated arguments.

There is a revelation happening globally and not all in UR circles and many exclusive from UR influences of the same truths we believe in.

The reformation has not ended yet.  There is a new move afoot and is global, maybe not as proliferal as the last move but the last move also started small.  In these times we live in, the true nature of God WILL be revealed thanks, in part, to the Internet. 

I have met two people in the last month that share "our" views and did not even know what Universalism was.  I too only discovered Universalism this year yet I never ever believed in Eternal torment or other Greco/Roman myths and I grew up in a Christian home.

Just look at how much opposition there was by the reformists to the pentecostal movement.

Billy Graham, Carlton Pearson are a few of the high profiles that have had this revealed to them, what was the typical evangelicals response?  They are Freemasons, pretenders, disillusioned, blinded et al.  And they all eat up these lies condemning these children of God just as the evangelicals condemn us who believe differently.  Neither of these men to my knowledge have claimed to be Universalists.

You may think there is safety in numbers but numbers are not what it is about, many called, few chosen has a totally different meaning.

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This gives me permission to do whatever I want because the Lord will not hold it against me, and so, why have the 10 Commandments, let us call them the 10 suggestions

I have already addressed this but wanted to add this.  This response is what we get 99% of the time from participation on other Christian forums, what is odd at Theology Online, self professed Satanists, Mystics, Witches, Buddhists, Hindus are all tolerated, yet let one person preach UR and you are descended on as if you are a disease, is that not odd for a Christian forum?  Yet we still teach Jesus.  :dontknow:

If what we share here gets you deeper into the word to get revelation from God directly, that is a good thing.  99% of Christians would like to believe in Universal Reconciliation now why do you think that is so?  For many it makes sense.  Why do they not believe?  The hold onto tradition and what they were taught.

You will not find anyone here deferring any contentious issue to what Gary Amirault teaches, Gary, like all of here do not elevate one above the other.  We recognize teachers but the teachers are not our leaders, Jesus is.

I hope you take the liberty to sign on and explore the boards and Tentmaker articles.

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Re: Dear Rev Pearson
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007, 06:52:00 PM »
:cloud9: If you get set free of the law of sin and death and have the freedom to do whatever you want, you find it was a "fleece" of sorts. You do have the freedom to do whatever you want, but the "joke" was on you because while He was busy working behind the scenes getting you to that point, only afterwards do you discover that He has removed the desire to do anything apart from His perfect will. So do you really have freedom, or was your will just swallowed by the whale, Jonah?  :mshock:   :laughing7:  Blessings to you in your search.....

I agree.

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2008, 06:28:58 AM »
The following is an email I received this week. I referred the person to here for the answer to his email. Have a go at it. By the way, we need to come up with a system to collect all these answers into a large database. Please email me for some recommendations for the best way to do this.:

Dear Rev. Pearson: I saw your interview tonight on 50/50. I am not going to write you and condemn you for what you believe, but I am telling you that I going to start praying that the Lord will help you see the error in your thinking..........
There are many things that none of us have answers as a follower of Christ. But I do know that He will chasten those He loves and I have experienced that love.
May the Lord show Himself to you in a new and fresh way, I will be praying for you.
Love in My Savor, Jesus Christ.
Joe

Hi Joe,

Thanks for praying for Rev Pearson.  Pray for all of us, because James said in his epistle that we all err in many things.  However, I do believe that when it comes to the Universal Restoration, you're the one who errs not knowing the Scriptures nor the Power of God.  You said that you've experienced the chastening love of God.  When God was chastening you, was he burning you alive in a never-ending Hell?  What if the chastening you've experienced is a small taste of what all of mankind are receiving daily?  Again, thank you for your prayers, Joe, because you reap what you sow.  And your very prayers for Carlton to be delivered from deception may be turned by Jesus, your High Priest in the heavenlies, towards the deliverance of your own soul from the lie that Christ is the great abortionist who aborts the plan of God where the restoration of all of the human race is concerned.  I mean that sincerely, that prayers for deliverance from deception are a fabulous place to start in an area where you've simply not understood the mind of God, but only your "Authorized Version."  May the Lord show Himself to you in a new and fresh way!

Martin

P.S. 2Corinthians 3 contrasts the 10 commandments with the New Covenant, meaning that they're not the same.  The 10 commandments are taken away in Christ, because except your righteousness exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees, then you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of heaven and the Scribes and Pharisees could keep the 10 commandments on their worst day much better than you ever could because they were schooled in the Rabbinic to understand what each letter, and each stroke of the pen, of the Hebrew text meant in that context.  Read 2Corinthians 5 sometime, because He hath made Him to be sin for us, Who knew no sin, so that the world would be made the righteousness of God in Him.  And again, this work of Christ is in CONTRAST to the 10 commandments in 2Corinthians 3.  The 10 commandments were the only portion of the law ever written on stone tablets.

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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2008, 08:53:20 AM »
im falling asleep and so didnt read all the replies (i  will tomorrow) i just wanted to add my two cents in:

1.  i dont believe jesus HAD to die on the cross in order to save us, i think that the bible passages that suggest that (directly or indirectly) are mostly MANS WORD ABOUT GOD and not the WORD OF GOD - i believe, like is said in the book 'if grace is true' that 'the cross is mans ultimate refusal of gods love, and the resurrection is gods refusal of that refusal'

when jesus was resurrected he didnt condemn his murderers, he loved those, that had refused him

2.  free to sin:  thats right, free to sin - this belief has given me more motivation to NOT SIN than any holiness tradition - and belive me, im a guy thats seen my share of dark alleys, and wicked ways, but, i have had more peace, and less desire to sin, than ive ever had before, because of godds unconditional love for me

what makes us think we would do more for our children than god would do for us?


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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2008, 11:54:43 PM »
Just a quick note.

I don't think there is a show called 50/50. The questioner may be thinking of 20/20.

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 07:13:40 AM »
I am telling you that I going to start praying that the Lord will help you see the error in your thinking.

I'm pointing out some things in this post to give a perspective I see because I used to say these very things to people.

The whole premise with such statements as the above quote is self importance no matter the reasoning anyone uses.

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It was very clear that Satan is the great deceiver and I believe that you have been also.

It is true that Satan deceives the whole world (Rev 12:9). It means that everyone at some point and time is deceived.  The problem with this persons premise is that when we talk to people in such a way we are wanting to be superior to them.

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Why would Jesus ever need to die on the cross if God is love and so, everyone will go to heaven.

First, the biblical answer is simple.  God did it that way.  Eccesiastes 3:1,  whether we can apply human logic to the "why" God did it is irrevalent.

Secondly, I would say that the depiction that Christ dies for the sins of humanity and only succeeds in saving a handful of all of the humans that have, do, and will ever exist on this planet is a great testamony of a terrible plan.

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This gives me permission to do whatever I want because the Lord will not hold it against me, and so, why have the 10 Commandments, let us call them the 10 suggestions.

This would only be a valid argument if the universalist claims we will not be judged by God.


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There are many things that none of us have answers as a follower of Christ. But I do know that He will chasten those He loves and I have experienced that love.


If God loves every one then in reality this person says a true statement "He will chasten those he loves"  If he loves everyone then there will be no time limit to this coming about. 

God knows exactly how to do this for everyone to bring them to repentance one day whether on this earth or after earthly death.

Everyone has a purpose and a role in this earthly life no matter how evil and despicable a persons life may seem to be.  Ecclesiastes 3:1 Ecclesiastes 8:6 Ecclesiates 3:17, Ephesians 1:11, Job 14:5, Isaiah 45:5-7

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May the Lord show Himself to you in a new and fresh way, I will be praying for you.

I thanked someone for saying this prayer over me once, because it was answered and here I am a universalist.    :bgdance:


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Amen