willieH: Hi Lefein...
WillieH; please let your yea be yea, and your nay be nay when it comes to your future responses. I beg you now as a brother in Christ, for your benefit.
No offense dear brother, but please, if you would be so kind, ...explain to me, in what way shall ME
changing myself to suit YOU
, ...benefit, ME
:omg: You piously instruct me that I need to make my "yea be yea", "nay be nay" ...and then you post all of this? --->
Simple elegance will suffice, and the main problem is that the posts are simply too neon bold to quote efficiently,
Because I use color in my posts, does not inhibit them to be quoted. Again, no offense intended to you brother, ...but this brand of subtle complaint actually is quite lame. Shall we petition the Television producers to resort to Black & White so it is easier to behold? Or maybe a law should be passed that Advertisements on Billboards must be Black & White, that they shall be easier to understand?
let alone answer properly - it hinders discussion...and puts unfortunately a hurdle in my way, a stumbling block if you will.
Please dear brother... I have been a member here, posting as I do in excess of 7 years... Many answer me "properly"! What does color within text, have to do with comprehension?
If my posts pose a "hurdle" to you due to detail, then ignore them brother, Lefein.
Your definition of "simple" appears to be brevity... which is really not the definition of the word. Simplicity can be lengthy and yet remain simple. I do not use enlarged vocabulary which requires one to spend as much time in a dictionary as in reading what is said... I speak in common terms, as the level of my education was quite moderate.
But on topic, and it may be a little behind since I could only pull part of the quote forth to answer it... :(
Pretty cryptic words... please simplify so I might understand...
The Bible does not ever say that the age of the earth is 6k years.
I have already addressed this.
The Bible only does three things regarding the Genesis account of Creation:
1: State as fact - In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth, the Earth was formless and void, and the Godhead was present over the waters, which where yet to be ordered into atmosphere - liquid ocean.
Sorry, but the "godhead" is not mentioned in Genesis 1... The word Elohim is used in Gen 1
-- Elohim, though a plural form, does not imply PLURALITY in being. No more than the word "YOU" as I address YOU... means that YOU are more than 1 being. You wear plural hats (son, grandson, husband, brother, friend, uncle, etc) but YOU remain ONE being.
The Earth in essence, was Crust and some form of chaotic vapourous covering, over which God was present having made it that way - preparing to order it.
This is an ASSUMPTION... the WORD
does not mention that either the "WATERS" or the Earth mentioned in Gen 1:1
-- were physical in nature. They were EMERGING from a SPIRIT... so in that process, their "beginning" was more likely SPIRITUAL, than PHYSICAL (though I, as you, cannot PROVE this to be so).
speaks of the "drinking of the WATER of life"... neither the "water" nor the "drinking" of it, ...can be considered a PHYSICAL act, even though it's "doing" quenches the "thirst" (which isn't PHYSICAL either) of the SPIRIT within...
The "deep" mentioned in this verse aludes to ABYSS... an ABYSS can be SPIRITUAL in nature as well as PHYSICAL.
"Tartaroo" as used by Peter [2 Pet 2:4
] in its only appearance in the WORD
, alludes to the deepest ABYSS
of hades... Does that mean to you that they "dug to China" to bury those in "tartaroo", Lefein?
2: God brought order, and stability to the Earth, and its Waters, putting Life on it in the span of six periods of time; literal 24 hour day - or literally symbolic day measuring eons; as God said himself - A day to God is as a thousand years, which is "literally symbolic" language meaning a very, very long time to us, is a short time to God.
Wow! Could you use your own counsel, and simplify
this a bit, Lefein?
"Literally symbolic"? Is that like, Long Shortness? or Empty Fullness? or Heavily Light?
says that a day (to God) is ...AS
... a thousand years... it does NOT SAY
, that it IS
a thousand years.
It only describes that TIME resembles and assumes a meaningless position to our INFINITE God, than does TIME's position appear to us ...finites.
Actually, the language more implies [IMObservation]... that TIME is totally irrelevant to God. Not that a "day" is shorter
for Him than for us.
To VAINLY attempt to tie GOD to ANY parameter, is to try to CONFINE Him. So any "duration" of a DAY that YOU or I might consider concerning Him, is nothing more than our attempt to CONFINE Him to some aspect of our own limitations.
3: It was Good.
There is very little concerning the "how" and "how long" when you actually look at it, merely statements of "did", he leaves the finding of "how" and "how long" to us to discover...and quite frankly God had no purpose (as his word shows) in telling us the full details of his work, which most likely would not be graspable to us anyway, and certainly not to the early Hebrews who only had scales for weighing bartering goods, and had no concept of microbiology other than God telling them "if you have mildew, clean your house, and leave your poop outside the camp, buried!": From ISA2
B'racraph bra aleim ath e'shimin u'ath e'artz
in'beginning he-created Elohim >> the'heavens and >> the'earth
u'e'artz eithe theu u'beu u'chshk ol -phini theum u'ruch alehim mrchphth ol phni e'min
and'the'earth she-became chaos and vacancy and'darkness over surfaces-of abyss and spirit-of Elohim vibrating over surfaces-of the'waters
u'iamr aleim iei aur e'iei -aur
and'he-is-saying Elohim he-shall-become light and'he-is-becoming-light
u'ira aleim ath-e'aur ki -tub u'ibdl aleim bin e'aur u'bin e'chshk
and'he-is-seeing Elohim >> the'light that good and'he-is-separating Elohim between the'light and'between the'darkness
u'iqra aleim l'aur ium u'l'chshk qra lile u'iei -orb u'iei bqr ium achd : p
and'he-is-calling Elohim to'thelight day and'tothe'darkness he-calls night and'he-is-becoming evening and he-is-becoming morning day one.
"ium" is "yom".
You "reprimand" me that my use of COLOR
in my responses, and that it presents "hurdles" to you, then you spout complexities that wax chaotic. FIRST
--- Why all this beating about the bush? Come to the point, Lefein... instead of trying to impress with this disjointed ramble.SECOND
--- We do not need to "know microbiology" in order to gain "understanding" of God and His doings... On the contrary --- we need to become AS CHILDREN, to Him... trusting, basic, single minded, ...admitting that we know NOTHING
... and thereby seek Him to FILL us with the LOVE of CHRIST
that "passes knowledge" -- Eph 3:19THIRD
--- Actually, we in this "modern day" (concerning the Holy and the PERFECT Almighty YHVH
) are far MORE degenerate
than were the Ancient Hebrews which you so arrogantly, and carelessly discredit, as you bask yourself in the self-adorning light
of your percieved "educational" position...
Take counsel from your own words, and SIMPLIFY Lefein... SIMPLIFY:
WillieH; please let your yea be yea, and your nay be nay when it comes to your future responses.