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PaoloNuevo:
Because in verse 23


23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.



it states that we have to hold on to our faith, and that is our only WORK the work of believing in Jesus Christ;

John 6:29

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

 29Jesus answered and said to them, `This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'

Therefore Col. 1: 20 does not state that all WILL be saved, but all who believe and only those who hold on to the faith will be saved.

Ok Refute!   :icon_joker:

WhiteWings:
Col 1:20 isn't about saved but reconciled.

Saved from what?
If someone isn't saved from the 2nd death doesn't mean s/he won't be reconciled.

Besides of that "work" of believing is the work of HS.

Nathan:
If you want to live in God's love "under conditions", that's totally fine, but I'm not so sure doing it is something God requires.  Love is unconditional.  Salvation is a gift motivated by that love.  So, if the love is unconditional, how can it be that the gift of salvation is not?  Now, on the other hand, I still would continue to add, because people think that believing in UR is still a free pass to live a godless life now cuz we're all saved in the end . . .a totally selfish perspective as far as I'm concerned and it reveals who it is in those people that's truly doing the talking . . .and it ain't the Spirit of God that's in them.  But truth is, there are consequences for our actions.  That might be what's confusing the matter about "conditions". 

Like . . ."I can stay dry "under the condition" that I avoid getting caught in the rain.  That's really not how salvation works, by "conditions" salvation "is" an unconditional gift poured out of unconditional love.  But should we choose to live by "our" selfish choices, it's not conditions that come into play, it's consequences.  I can be dry, I can be wet . . .there's no condemnation in either one, but there are consequences.  If being wet is a bad thing and I choose to run outside in a down pour . . .the consequences are, I'm gonna get wet.  That's how this realm works . . .by consequences. 

Salvation is still there for us to abide in, it's not a condition that we must accept before we die so afterwards we won't go to hell . . .Salvation is an enablement of forgiving power and a release of heavenly promises for me NOW . . .if I don't give the invitation, the consequences are, I continue going through this life bound and controlled by carnality in me.

thinktank:
what if that carnality continues after death?

If one is not saved now, they will continually sink lower and lower, that even death cannot stop it, only the love and power of Jesus can redeem.

The lake of fire in time forces all carnal beings into holyness, causing torment.

A God of love would not do this, but give freedom. But Noahs flood shows God will take measures to prevent beings from harming themselves and force them out of the bottomless pit of carnality, and into Gods glorious light.

 :2c:

redhotmagma:
can carnality really continue after death?  I mean if flesh is gone, and carnal=flesh (sarx in greek) then how can there be carnality?  I know theres different ideas about what happens in the resurrection, but is God going to resurrect people into their flesh bodies? 

Just thought about this, and it gives credence to the idea that the LOF is now.  Sin was condemned in the flesh, the wages of sin is death   :dontknow:

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