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Offline jabcat

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"That teaching is a heresy"
« on: April 13, 2013, 12:31:17 AM »
I was looking for some other info, and ran across this.  Interesting..

Original question - "What does 'ultimate reconciliation' mean? Is it referring to the fallen angels and Lucifer or just believers?"



Part of one answer;  "I would encourage you to read about the history of this doctrine. It may not be commonly held by the saints in America in this hour, but there is great apostasy in the church (a divorcement from truth), and if you use the beliefs of America's churches today as your guide you will have a poor measuring stick to compare things with."


Part of a second answer;  "This is a heresy taught by some. It teaches that all will be reconciled with God, even Satan.

In other words they preach the error that our choices do no permanent harm.

They often quote this scripture;
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19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross
If we take this passage out of context it seems to support their heresy. But even this passage says BY HIS BLOOD. You can not reject the blood and then be saved."


http://www.watchmanscry.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12854
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Re: "That teaching is a heresy"
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2013, 07:19:48 AM »
I have noted over and over that more orthodox believers are prone to repeatedly refer to doctrines they disagree with, as heresies, and usually without even explaining what they are. 

"No!  No!  That's bad!!  Don't touch!" 
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Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: "That teaching is a heresy"
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2013, 04:34:39 PM »
The question is, does "all" mean ALL or does all mean something else? :dsunny:
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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: "That teaching is a heresy"
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 11:22:09 PM »
Quote from: micah7:9 on April 13, 2013, 04:34:39 PM
The question is, does "all" mean ALL or does all mean something else? :dsunny:

All means a small select few.  Didn't you get the memo?   :winkgrin:
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Re: "That teaching is a heresy"
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 03:55:40 AM »
I didn't get the memo.  Post, pls...
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Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Re: "That teaching is a heresy"
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 04:09:39 AM »
The trinity doctrine lands right up there at the top of this thread. When ever I want to show or tell a "Christian" that they worship a different God than me I bring up the trinity. Then proceed to tell them that one of us is severely  wrong...............dead wrong. :banana:
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Re: "That teaching is a heresy"
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2013, 04:35:22 AM »
In other words they preach the error that our choices do no permanent harm.

If my choices can add to permanent harm.

Then my choices can add permanent good.

Let see.

What can I add to the finished work of Jesus?

Got any ideas. Permanent ideas?
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