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Col. 1: 20 is conditional salvation.

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Nathan:
I believe you're absolutely right . . .carnality is confined to "this" realm of life, it has no place in the spirit . . .Scripture clearly states that . .Jesus saw Satan fall to the earth where "it" is the prince of the "air" (this dimension of life) and in another place after losing to Michael in battle, he was bound to the limitations of this realm . . .the garden we see the serpent . .same entity . . and it's confined to the tree of knowledge, which is the gateway into the realm where knowledge governs life.  Which again . .. is "this" realm.  Revelation again speaks to this in that "there was no place found for him in heaven . . ."  I know many don't see the connection between carnality and the devil, satan and lucifer, but they are all still patterns of what carnality is.  And it's confined to natural.  Natural lusts can not reach across the curtain of this life and the after life.  The after life is the realm of God . . .there's no place for carnality there.

Which for me, also means there's no place for any form of a hell be it eternal or temporal . . .punishment for being under the control of something you were born into in the first place isn't how God works.  His fire doesn't punish, it purifies.  Judgment isn't against "me", it's against the sin in me.  After judgment is released in me, I "become" wholly acceptable as a living sacrifice, I become a spiritual virgin to him because of the power of the fire that purifies. 

"If" there is no condemnation now . . .how can we think that there will be a punsihment, a condemnation for us "then"?

sheila:
 all in Adam can cry out,like Paul, WHO WILL SAVE ME FROM THIS BODY UNDERGOING THIS DEATH?   And we know 'WHO "

   the battle NOW is not over our spirit..but for possesion of our house[flesh/body] as to who will rule it..NOW..in this age.....whether it be a temple

  of which He throws out the money changers and takes up residence now...and rules in it..to those who say 'Blessed is He that comes in the name

  of the Lord"  coming in and supping with us]"Or,whether it be a temple that rejects Him when He comes to His home with an abomination spirit in it...

  full of serpents and vipers[Babylon/cage of demons man of sin/son of perdition]

   He come that we may have LIFE MORE ABUNDANTLY NOW....AND ETERNAL LIFE IN THE AGE TO COME

    Now,Paul hands over a man's flesh to satan. for the destruction of the flesh.in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord


    THE RESURRECTION OF THE RIGHTEOUS[first resurrection} IS MAN RAISED UP IN THE IMAGE OF THE INCORRUPTIBLE ONE...RECEIVING FREE GIFT

   the resurrection of the wicked is satan and his demonic hordes freed from the abyss...going forth to surround camp of city he loves..

   their death/abyssing is a state of inactivity...the lof is obliteration of all things that cause death/sin/error.....I know my perception of this differs

  from many here as to what lof is....and HE WILL MAKE A SHORT WORK OF IT...not eans  with people in torment...but a quick deliverance

   appointed for man to die ONCE..and then the judgement...where he receives the free gift of righteousness and the eternal kingdom on the merit

  of Jesus Christ and the work of His Father,done through him

PaoloNuevo:

--- Quote ---Salvation is still there for us to abide in, it's not a condition that we must accept before we die so afterwards we won't go to hell . . .Salvation is an enablement of forgiving power and a release of heavenly promises for me NOW . . .if I don't give the invitation, the consequences are, I continue going through this life bound and controlled by carnality in me.

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--- Quote --- He come that we may have LIFE MORE ABUNDANTLY NOW....AND ETERNAL LIFE IN THE AGE TO COME

    Now,Paul hands over a man's flesh to satan. for the destruction of the flesh.in order that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord


    THE RESURRECTION OF THE RIGHTEOUS[first resurrection} IS MAN RAISED UP IN THE IMAGE OF THE INCORRUPTIBLE ONE...RECEIVING FREE GIFT

   the resurrection of the wicked is satan and his demonic hordes freed from the abyss...going forth to surround camp of city he loves..

   their death/abyssing is a state of inactivity...the lof is obliteration of all things that cause death/sin/error.....I know my perception of this differs

  from many here as to what lof is....and HE WILL MAKE A SHORT WORK OF IT...not eans  with people in torment...but a quick deliverance

   appointed for man to die ONCE..and then the judgement...where he receives the free gift of righteousness and the eternal kingdom on the merit

  of Jesus Christ and the work of His Father,done through him
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--- Quote ---Col 1:20 isn't about saved but reconciled.

Saved from what?
If someone isn't saved from the 2nd death doesn't mean s/he won't be reconciled.

Besides of that "work" of believing is the work of HS.
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--- Quote ---Which for me, also means there's no place for any form of a hell be it eternal or temporal . . .punishment for being under the control of something you were born into in the first place isn't how God works.  His fire doesn't punish, it purifies.  Judgment isn't against "me", it's against the sin in me.  After judgment is released in me, I "become" wholly acceptable as a living sacrifice, I become a spiritual virgin to him because of the power of the fire that purifies. 
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Thanks guys.. !  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cloud9:

gregoryfl:
(John 6:29 [WEB])
Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."



(John 20:31 [WEB])
but these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.


As for believing being a work of man toward God, it is actually quite the opposite. Can you see the similarity between these 2 verses? They are both saying the same thing. The little word "that" is very important to the meaning here. What do you see?

Ron

PaoloNuevo:
Hmmm... not sure what I see there, gregory...

but I think it's similar to Jn 17: 3 where having life in His name (20:31) is dependent on knowing the Son and who He is and what He is about so we can better abide in Him?

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