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--- Quote from: BenJasher on November 24, 2007, 06:09:21 AM ---I just don't think that once a man experiences His presence, that anyone would want to resist Him.

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--- Quote from: BenJasher on November 24, 2007, 06:09:21 AM ---And that is where it has to happen in my book. If it isn't revealed to you by the Holy Spirit, then your acceptance of the Victorious Gospel is merely intellectual. Somebody with a better intellect can show you that you are wrong. When the Holy Spirit reveals it to you, it gets way down into the deeper recesses of your spirit and becomes part of the fiber and fabric of your being, and anybody trying to tell you that you are wrong is wasting their time.

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This was my experience.  He revealed, then confirmed with scripture.  I've seen people (somewhat) convincingly twist scripture but it's hard for someone to twist someone else's personal revelation.


--- Quote from: BenJasher on November 24, 2007, 06:09:21 AM ---Hey PaultheJesusfreak; When did Clement make that statement in your signature file? I like that quote.

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 Honestly, I found it somewhere on a website, and I don't remember where.  :dontknow:


Point 1:

God will do HIS WILL. NOT mans will! He does ALL of what HE PLEASES and DESIRES!

Isaiah 46:10  God will do all His pleasure
Ephesians 1:11  God works all after the counsel of His will

I ask you, does Jesus always do what his Father pleases and desires???

John 8:29  He always does what pleases His Father
John 17:2  Jesus will give eternal life to all whom His Father gives to Him

And, WHAT IS IT that the Father Pleases and desires????

1Tim 2:4-God desires all to come to the knowledge of truth

1Tim 2:4-God will have all to be saved

So let us get this straight!

If God always does what he desires and pleases. And Jesus always carries out what his father desires and pleases. And the Father pleases and desires that ALL be saved.

Then I would surmise that, if God wants THE ALL to be saved (Which it clearly shows in the passages above), then that is EXACTLY what is going to happen!!!!


God does what he desires and pleases and that is to save the whole world through his Son Jesus Christ. And God's WILL is ALWAYS DONE.

It is as easy as 1,2,3.

Point 2:

"This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS; WHO GAVE HIMSELF A RANSOM FOR ALL, to be testified in due time" (1 Tim. 2:3-6)

God is the Savior of ALL,………not some,….not a few, but all.

"As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. BUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER" (1 Cor. 15:22-24).

You cannot deny that all men are dead in Adam's sin. Yet you would deny that THE SAME ALL will be made alive in Christ.
This THEME is repeated over and over, in the word of God.

"So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life. For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One shall the many be made righteous" (Rom. 5:18-19).

The many are made sinners,…….those same "Many" are made righteous!

How many of the "Many" are sinners????
Answer: ALL

How many of the "Many" will be made righteous???
Answer: ALL

Hope this helps.

Have a nice day!



--- Quote from: AJ on September 29, 2007, 07:47:16 PM ---EVERYBODY -  WILL BECOME SAVED - WHEN THEY CONFESS THAT 'JESUS IS LORD'

(1)…That according to the Bible, - it states that when SOMEONE CONFESSES that "Jesus is Lord," –  that they will be SAVED?

"That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is
with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."(Rom. 1:9-10)

Peter saying "and it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Act 2:21).
The jailor said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" They said, " Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved." - (Act 16:27-31).

And let's remember...
  Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus is a curse, and that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit. (I Cor. 12:3)

(2)…That the Bible also states - that – 'EVERYONE' will confess that  "Jesus is Lord"?

"As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God" - (Rom. 14:11)
"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven
and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." - (Phil. 2:11)

(3)…Again…..HOW MANY PEOPLE will call on the name of the Lord?

"Therefore wait for me," declares the Lord , "for the day I will stand up to testify. I have decided to assemble the nations, to gather the kingdoms and to pour out
my wrath on them- all my fierce anger.
The whole world will be consumed by the fire of my jealous anger. "Then will I purify the lips of the peoples, that all
of them may call on the name of the Lord and serve him shoulder to shoulder." - (Zeph 3:8-9)

The whole earth will acknowledge the LORD and return to him.
People from every nation will bow down before him. 
For the LORD is king! He rules all the nations. (Psalm 22:27-28)


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and your defense when they say argue the verse that states that many called him Lord, did miracles in his name, yet he told them, depart from me, I never knew you......They called him Lord, yet he never knew them....

That's the commom answer I get back when I debate as you offered. How do you respond against this arguement.

Don't get me wrong I believe the message and I agree with 95% of the above posts but....
Before those verses are of the smallest use word defenitions are needed.
When using all verses the simple reply will be: "all elect", "a selection of all groups", "all who are commited to Christ" etc

If a person believes in 'aion' and 'all' s/he is a UR follower. All Christians believe (almost) exactly the same when there is an agreement on those words.


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