willieH: Hi TB...
Okay, ...I'll try and finish up here...
When God told Moses, "I am the being" he made no reference to creation of time, nor did he in the beginning create time; there is no reference in all of scripture to God creating time. And he is subject to time, by his covenant relations with men.
Disagree... MAN is subject to GOD, not the other way around... Neither is GOD subject to ANYTHING -- Including TIME
As I have already noted that CHRIST
Himself broke down "DAYS" (which have not only individual beginning and end, but COLLECTIVE beginning and end) as having 12 HOURS... which is the MEASUREMENT of them... all of which have beginnings and endings... Enough about that. You are welcome to think whatever you like...
It was God who introduced feast days, sabbaths, and holy days, all related to time; Jubillee sabbath, every forty nine years + one; fiftieth year after seven cycles of seven years. It was God who explained a day as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. God is very cognizant of the significance of time in the mind and heart of man.
More of the same... the mind and heart of man are TEMPORAL and have been placed in a TEMPORAL setting [time], as a vapor which appeareth for a SHORT TIME
, then vanisheth AWAY... beginning & end...
That GOD has placed us in a scenario (time) which is SEPARATED from the ETERNAL, and which is IN MOTION and thereby ALL within it, including IT, is CONTINUALLY CHANGING... is evidence of its OPPOSITION to the ETERNAL... which is UNCHANGING and at PEACE... which opposes the IMMENSE quantity of TURMOIL amidst "TIME".
TIME is the OPPOSITE of ETERNITY, but then again, you aren't buying that areya? Don't care.
Also ...He is ETERNAL which means that "how He IS", He HAS ALWAYS BEEN ---> IS ---> and ALWAYS WILL BE...
We on the other hand, as we view ourselves within this scenario, are part of a TEMPORAL setting even though we are found within HIM who IS ETERNAL -- Act 17:28 -- and which is UNCHANGING, and which is and remains, PERFECTLY UNALTERED for EVER...
Well ...BLOW ME DOWN! :omg:
All that said... In HOPES to convey (and IN that process answer your question above), ...here is my observation of the Creation of GOD:
The "Creation" has ALWAYS BEEN... but VEILED to ALL... except YHVH God.
ALL that occurs in this scenario is the projection (expression) of that which is IN the Heart of YHVH...
In which case, there was no "In the beginning God created." It was all a ruse to get man to behave by sinning. Nah... don't think so.FIRST
-- "In the "BEGINNING" ...was the emergent point of ALL THINGS ...WHICH HAVE... Beginnings and endings... including TIME and ALL within its grasp...CHRIST
, who HAS NO BEGINNING or ENDING, ...IS... the Alpha and Omega of ALL THINGS which DO
-- No "ruse" at all, only PURPOSE, if GOD should choose you to SEE IT... the LIVING KNOWLEDGE of GOD, REVEALED before ALL, utilizing His CHILDREN within the LIVING realization of that REVELATION...
God did not ordain this as a method to "rehabilitate" men... He is REVEALING Himself before ALL... that He be
ALL in ALL... You are just too involved in the complexities of your theology to see the simplicity of it all.
GOOD and EVIL is not about "SINNING", Theo... it is about the REVELATION of WHAT OCCURS when the COMMAND of GOD (which is HOLY, PERFECT and PURE)... is OPPOSED... and the LOSS, SORROW, PAIN and DEATH that results in the MANIFESTATION of that OPPOSITION...
The knowledge of EVIL is simply the "flipside" of the knowledge of GOOD... TOGETHER they are ONE KNOWLEDGE, ...both are necessary that the other be KNOWN for what the other ...IS... BOTH are FOREVER EXISTENT, ...WITHIN the Heart of YHVH God...
This "Creation scenario" is an REVELATION of that KNOWLEDGE of G & E, which has ALWAYS BEEN, IS and ALWAYS WILL BE... IOW the Creation never "came into being" it was VEILED to ALL except YHVH (within the ETERNAL setting.)
No such scene is depicted in all of scripture. Enlighten me.
Do you really wish enlightenment brother? Or was that just the smug comment of one who will ignore?
Oh but it IS... all you need to do is open the eyes of your heart, ....matter of fact an ENTIRE BOOK of the Scripture is DEDICATED to it!
It is PLAINLY and CLEARLY there... will you listen, brother Theo? Do you "got yer ears on?" Or will you refuse to see or hear, as did the Pharisees of old?
The REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST
... the OUTWARD EXPRESSION of the WORD
of GOD, which is within HIS HEART...
Here comes the part, you will likely "ignore":
ALL things that were "MADE" were "MADE" by the WORD
-- Col 1:16 -- John 1:3
-- which IS an UNCHANGING entity -- Heb 13:8
-- and which manifest them by REVEALING their presence found WITHIN the WORD
That the WORD
is UNCHANGING, means that whatever EXTENDS from IT
("made" by IT"), is also UNCHANGING... otherwise the WORD
is NOT the same, yesterday, today and forever, for EXTENSIONS of IT... are CHANGEABLE.
You will likely balk at what I just said, because you believe that YOU choose your own WAY (with "free will")... and I on the other hand, KNOW that we walk a pathway which is SET BEFORE US... and NOT ONE MOMENT of that journey shall CHANGE from what the WORD
DECLARED of it before a step of it was taken! -- Isaiah 46:10
-- believe what you will...
Where is your
"word", Theo? In your shoe? Behind the garage? On the moon? In a safe deposit box at the bank?
Or is it IN YOUR
? Is your "word", TRULY YOU? When expressed, does it contain WHO you are? What you think? What you like and dont like? Of course it does! (or at least, it should)
And when YOU reveal IT, those HEARING, then become AWARE of many things that were ALWAYS
there within YOU, ...just WORDS which were yet, UNSPOKEN by YOU
Well... GOD's WORD
is found amidst HIS
HEART, and the expression of HIS HEART contains ALL and more (as compared to you or I), ...concerning what "He likes and doesn't like... What He "thinks"... and WHO He truly ...IS... (which is LOVE
ALL these were ALWAYS
[forever] within the Heart of YHVH
, just UNREVEALED... unexpressed until the WORD was SPOKEN from His HEART, ...REVEALING that Heart in the presence of the HEARERS...
YHVH ...IS... REVEALING Himself to ALL that is IN HIM, which includes EVERYTHING living WITHIN Him, extensions OF HIM...
This "Creation scenario" will perish from ACTIVITY/practice... but the KNOWLEDGE availed BY IT... forever ...IS... and forever ...WILL BE... and forever ...WAS...
That FINITE vision to a degree, perishes with ETERNAL REVELATION is also, the basis of ALL KNOWLEDGE...
What is the scope of "eternal revelation?" Do you mean the revelation about eternal things, or do you mean a revelation that eternally goes on?FIRST
-- the "ETERNAL" does NOT "go-on"... it ALWAYS IS
You, as do many Christians, ...use FINITE terminology (a "from now-on" ETERNITY) and expect that this defines the INFINITE... which is like the blind man, using "his eyes", endeavoring to describe the design on my shirt.SECOND
-- "ETERNAL REVELATION" is that which HAS ALWAYS BEEN, (amidst the HEART of GOD) made known... which is the KNOWLEDGE of YHVH
God, ...which contains GOOD and EVIL... imparted to MAN, that the CHILDREN of GOD, be AS ...IS... He, having that KNOWLEDGE...
When the "wheel" became known... those LIVING became LARGER by that knowledge. And MANY things were left behind. Such as CARRYING heavy objects from one place to another, or WALKING long distances... CARRYING did not disappear, neither did WALKING... however, the "dealings" with both were forever ALTERED and ENLARGED, by the REVELATION of the knowledge of the WHEEL.
EVIL as a practice shall FINITELY remain in this TEMPORAL historical document we LIVE and KNOW as TIME... within its "portion" of the KNOWLEDGE of GOD... but it's KNOWLEDGE, shall remain FOREVER as the indicator of PRAISE which is given to the GLORY -- that is known as LOVE and is named, YHVH God...
All you need now is to produce scripture that teaches that. I'm in listening mode. Try me.
Are you really bro? If you are
, then this question has already been answered hasn't it? I have already extensively shown the Scripture, ...Or were you not listening?
I hope you were!