willieH: Hi TB...
I suppose you think yourself the "1st" of your kind to come to this forum, eh?
Bringing with you some "new enlightenment" to the membership of Tentmaker?
Failing to KNOW that we all came OUT
of the place [babylon] you are IN
Just so's ya know... I was active and held MEMBERSHIPS of -- 20 YEARS
in the Salvation Army
, and of -- 5 YEARS
in the SDA church
, not to mention MUSIC MINISTRY affiliations with organizations such as, the Assembly of God
, ...Healing Rooms International
... not to mention several "non-denoms
which teach either HELL
of which teach the SORROWFUL news of LOSS
instead of the VICTORY of the CROSS... ALL
of which are centered upon SELF
in their doctrinal stands...ALL
of which are numbered as MANY
, not few... NONE
of which teach to the WORLD that GOD SO LOVES [with an ETERNAL and UNCHANGING LOVE] -- it is ETERNALLY INVALUABLE, rather teaching it to be ETERNALLY EXPENDABLENONE
of which observe the SPOKEN WILL of GOD which is UNWILLING that ANY
PERISH... teaching instead, that the CLAY dictates itself to the POTTER...NONE
of which teach the SAVED are as the STARS of Heaven, and SAND of the Sea --- INNUMERBLE...
You are hardly the 1st, nor shall likely be the last to come here thinking you shall bring a message which shall DETER our belief, which IS the TRUTH... and IS the GOSPEL
... FULL of JOY, FULL of VICTORY, FULL of COMPLETENESS which IS
the meaning of PERFECTION...
Arguing the UNREASONABLE and FRUITLESS fleshly vengence of EYE for EYE, [i.e. HELL/eternal punishment] in the place of the GRACE of DIVINE LOVE... and VICTORIOUS FULFILLMENT of that LOVE in ALL...
willieH: Hi TB...
willieH: Hi TB...
This topic is a bit on the "trollish" side, ...but because we at Tentmaker are a welcoming bunch, it deserves to be addressed in the name of welcome...
Btw... before I begin... Welcome to Tentmaker, TB ... God has brought you here to LEARN... the big question is... will you?
Basically the answer to ALL your questions is -- YES -- and in your endeavor to "trip" the truth (as was attempted by the Pharisees with CHRIST), shall your "attempt" herein, fail...
And if you bother to completely read my answer to you, ...you will in all likelihood, become frustrated because your attempt to refute the Salvation of ALL, herein fails... but, as I have already suggested to you --- an OPPORTUNITY is given you, for GOD has led you here to LEARN... ...and we here at TM shall hope you "have your EARS on" as freely as you have "OPENED your MOUTH"...
The question I have for you, TB... is shall you LEARN from this failure to refute "UR", or will you attempt to sidestep it?
Just one question for you WH...
What would your reaction be to my post if I started out with
"God sent me here to teach you guys..."
:omg: I've answered ALL your TWENTY FIVE questions and you haven't answered ANY of mine, and yet shall require me to answer YOU, further?
I'll be more than happy to answer you about this, once you reciprocate even a little bit...
but be forewarned new brother, ...you might not like the answer much...
But that wasn't my question, was it? Try answering my question.
In this reply, you admit that either: (1)
you are too unstudied Biblically to answer my questions and purpose to evade answering me or, (2)
you do not understand the meaning of the word reciprocate
you do not understand what a DISCUSSION
is --- which involves that
-  YOU ask questions -- which you did --> # = 25, ...WE answer them (which I DID!) --- and then,
-  WE ask questions and YOU answer them (which YOU have NOT)
You therefore admit that you are unable to answer my
questions of you
Even though you do not see it, ...in this post, you have answered your own question of me... One which purposes to SPEAK ONLY, and which endeavors to TEACH, not to LEARN... and is about "IMPOSING" his viewpoint/opinion on a given subject, rather than "DISCUSSING" it...
HERE are questions you have NOT ANSWERED (just in case you decide to discuss
(1) use or translation of the word "forever" is INVALID, for until one can COMPLETELY define the word -- (which includes WITHOUT BEGINNING -- by explaining how something has NO BEGINNING, to include why and how that, ...IS?)... Use of the word FOREVER by any finite which does not comprehend said meaning, is therefore INVALID.#2
How could something which is INHERENT within the Heart of GOD (knowledge of G & E), be OTHER than DIVINE, TB? #3
8) If God's will cannot be frustrated;
And If David committed adultry with Bath-sheba, [2 Sam 11:4] it must have been god's will.
YES (see #1) -- also... man devises his way (as did David in this example), but GOD orders the STEPS of man -- Prov 16:9 -- Prov 20:21 -- Jer 10:23 -- will you BELIEVE what the WORD, PLAINLY states in MULTIPLE verses, bringing its LIGHT, ...TB? Or shall you cling to your own darkened "opinions"?
9) If God's will cannot be frustrated;
And If, of all the many thousands who came out of Egypt, in the great exodus, only two made it to the promised land, (Joshua and Caleb)[Num 14:30,38] it must have been God's will.
YES (see #1) -- also... how do you continue to think that the DIVINE WILL of the ALMIGHTY can be neutralized by His own Creation? What "faith" is seen in this? The prerequisite NUMBER which eventually PHYSICALLY entered the "promised land" is not specified is it?
Where is the Prophecy noted that only TWO of the entire nation of ISRAEL should enter the promised land? Also... MOSES was not one of them... is this your conclusion as well, TB? That because MOSES did not enter PHYSICALLY, ...he therefore SHALL NEVER ENTER?
What of this, TB? ---> Rom 11:26 -- and so ...ALL ISRAEL shall be SAVED, as IS WRITTEN, there shall come out of Zion, the DELIVERER and shall turn AWAY ungodliness from JACOB...
This includes the ENTIRE nation which did NOT enter into the PROMISED land. Only those CHOSEN to ENTER into the Kingdom [promised land] IN this life, shall do so IN THIS LIFE... It does not say that those who do not enter, shall NEVER enter.
Do you believe this Scripture, TB? --#6
John 1:29 -- behold that Lamb of God which ...TAKETH AWAY... the SIN... of the WORLD
If the SIN of THE WORLD, ...is "taken AWAY"... Then what remains to accuse?
You can't have your cake & eat it too bro...
10) If God's will cannot be frustrated;
And If Moses came down off the mount, and saw the children of israel dancing around a God they had made for themselves, [Num 32] it must have been God's will.
YES (see #1) -- If it is WRITTEN in the WORD (which it IS!) ...which preceeds the event, then it WAS to BE so, ...well BEFORE it actually occured... are you getting the CLEANSING SPIRITUAL picture yet, TB? Or shall you continue wallowing in the CARNAL RELIGIOUS mud, given you? Must I continue this?
11) If God's will cannot be frustrated;
And If all men sin and come short of the glory of God; [Rom 3:23] it must have been God's will.
YES (see #1) -- also... How can one be DELIVERED from something [sin] that one, needs no deliverance from? ALL sinned, and ALL are delivered from it.
ALL are IN ADAM [and therefore SINNERS], TB -- 1 Cor 15:22 -- as well AS the SAME "ALL" are IN CHRIST [and therefore DELIVERED]
12) If God's will cannot be frustrated;
And if the Jews always resist the Holy Spirit, [Acts 7:51] it must have been God's will.
YES (see #1) -- also... you only display YOURSELF and your RELIGION by noting this, bro... You must therefore NEGATE the words of PAUL in Rom 11:26 -- in order to continue to facilitate this belief.
"ALWAYS" in this context, simply means that:
(1) these have YET to be drawn to the SON and,
(2) shall remain so until their DUE TIME -- 1 Tim 2:6 -- and,
(3) are therefore YET to bow at the KNEE and CONFESS with the tongue -- Phil 2:10-11 -- John 6:44
It cannot mean "ALWAYS" in the sense you propose, for the word ALWAYS is a word such as NEVER, and FOREVER... meaning that PRIOR to being stiffnecked, these were stiffnecked... -- for they were "ALWAYS" stiffnecked, eh?
Will you answer these?
Probably NOT... mostly because if you are honest with yourself, you came here not to discuss, in which you might LEARN... you are here to preach the FRUITLESSNESS of what most here, have long ago abandoned...